How Does a New Species Reproduce After Macro-Evolution?

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The discussion centers on the concepts of micro-evolution and macro-evolution, with a focus on how new species arise from gradual changes within a species. It questions the mechanics of speciation, particularly how a new species can reproduce if it cannot mate with its parent species. The conversation highlights that mutations typically affect individual organisms, but advantageous mutations can be passed on through germ cells, allowing traits to spread within a population over generations. It emphasizes that while evolution is often viewed as a gradual process, recent research suggests that new species can emerge more rapidly than previously believed, as demonstrated by studies on salmon populations. The distinction between micro and macro-evolution is debated, with some arguing that it is a conceptual separation rather than a biological one, used by those skeptical of evolutionary theory. Overall, the discussion reinforces the complexity of evolutionary processes and the role of mutations in species development.
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Okay I have a question. In micro-evolution, traits change among the same species, enough of these changes leads to macro-evolution. What is macro-evolution other than a different name and a series of small changes? A change big enough so that the new organism is no longer of the same species, and cannot mate with the original species anymore. This makes me question something...

Mutations would only affect one organism, correct? It would be too coincidental for a group of organisms to all evolve into the same new species. So how does the new species reproduce if it's not asexual? If it's the only one of it's kind? If it could reproduce with the parent species, then it would BE that species itself, so how does a new organism representing a new species reproduce?
 
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dratsab said:
Mutations would only affect one organism, correct? It would be too coincidental for a group of organisms to all evolve into the same new species.
Mutated organisms (may) pass their new traits on to their kids.
So how does the new species reproduce if it's not asexual? If it's the only one of it's kind? If it could reproduce with the parent species, then it would BE that species itself, so how does a new organism representing a new species reproduce?
It isn't that thin of a line. Species may just evolve in parallel, isolated from each other, eventually becoming incompatible.
 
Evolution is a long term process, I personally don't believe species could just arise through a sudden change that makes it completely incompatible with its predecessors. Usually an advantageous mutation is selected upon and passed onto future generations long enough to allow the specialization of that trait, but this takes time.
 
yangxu said:
Evolution is a long term process, I personally don't believe species could just arise through a sudden change that makes it completely incompatible with its predecessors. Usually an advantageous mutation is selected upon and passed onto future generations long enough to allow the specialization of that trait, but this takes time.

Yes, evolution does indeed proceed through gradualism.
 
New animal species can emerge much quicker than previously thought, say scientists.

Salmon in a US lake split into two separate populations in just 13 generations, or about 60-70 years, researchers have revealed.

Until now, it was believed that new species took hundreds or thousands of years to appear.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/979950.stm
 
dratsab said:
Okay I have a question. In micro-evolution, traits change among the same species, enough of these changes leads to macro-evolution. What is macro-evolution other than a different name and a series of small changes? A change big enough so that the new organism is no longer of the same species, and cannot mate with the original species anymore. This makes me question something...
Evolution is evolution. The distinction between micro and macro evolution is not one made by biology so much as those who wish to reject evolution, but need to make some concession to the fact that mutations do indeed occur that change species, so they give it a different name.

Mutations would only affect one organism, correct? It would be too coincidental for a group of organisms to all evolve into the same new species. So how does the new species reproduce if it's not asexual? If it's the only one of it's kind? If it could reproduce with the parent species, then it would BE that species itself, so how does a new organism representing a new species reproduce?
The mutation would have to occur in the germ cells (egg or sperm), not just somatic cells (the rest of the body) for it to be passed on to the next generation, and be spread throughout a species.
 

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