How Does a Particle Reach Infinity in Finite Time with Angular Force?

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The discussion focuses on a particle experiencing an angular force defined by F_{\theta} = 3m\dot{r}\dot{\theta}. It is established that the radial velocity \dot{r} can be expressed as \dot{r}=\pm\sqrt{Ar^{4}+B}, where A and B are constants determined by initial conditions. Participants suggest that to demonstrate the particle reaches r=\infty in finite time, one should solve the integral dr/√(Ar^4 + B) = dt. A method is proposed to simplify the integral by bounding it, allowing for the conclusion that time t remains finite. The conversation emphasizes the mathematical approach needed to solve the problem effectively.
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Homework Statement


Consider a particle that feels an angular force only, of the form F_{\theta} = 3m\dot{r}\dot{\theta}. Show \dot{r}=\pm\sqrt{Ar^{4}+B}, where A and B are constants of integration, determined by the initial conditions. Also, show that if the particle starts with \dot{\theta}\neq0 and \dot{r}>0, it reaches r=\infty in a finite time.


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F_{r}=m(\ddot{r}-r\dot^{\theta}^2)=0
F_{\theta}=m(r\ddot{\theta}+2\dot{r}\dot{\theta})

The Attempt at a Solution


I've already shown that \dot{r}=\pm\sqrt{Ar^{4}+B}. What I need to do now is show that it reaches r=\infty in a finite time. I'm not sure what I need to do here... any thoughts?
 
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Ertosthnes said:
I've already shown that \dot{r}=\pm\sqrt{Ar^{4}+B}. What I need to do now is show that it reaches r=\infty in a finite time. I'm not sure what I need to do here... any thoughts?

Hi Ertosthnes! :smile:

(have a theta: θ and a square-root: √ and an infinity: ∞ :smile:)

(ooh … and use dashes rather than dots on this forum … they're easier to read!)

You need to solve dr/√(Ar4 + B) = dt. :wink:

(or you could "sandwich" it between two integrals that are easier)
 
Thanks Tim! Okay, obviously the integral as is would be pretty tough to solve. Could I say that dt = dr/√(Ar^4 + B) \leq dr/(Ar^2), and then integrate to show that t<infinity?
 
Ertosthnes said:
Thanks Tim! Okay, obviously the integral as is would be pretty tough to solve. Could I say that dt = dr/√(Ar^4 + B) ≤ dr/(Ar^2), and then integrate to show that t<infinity?

Hi Ertosthnes! :smile:

(you could have used the ≤ a also :wink:)

… and it's always positive, so … yes, that's fine! :smile:
 
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