How Does a Water Drop's Speed Change as It Falls and Gains Mass?

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The discussion revolves around a mechanics problem involving the motion of a spherical water drop falling through the atmosphere. The original poster is attempting to apply calculus and differential equations to model the drop's speed as it gains mass, with specific conditions such as disregarding drag and starting with a finite mass.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster models the problem using momentum principles, drawing parallels to a rocket's mass loss. They express the mass increase as proportional to the cross-sectional area and derive a differential equation for the drop's speed. Other participants suggest using the mass-volume-density relationship and question the constancy of the radius change over time.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering tips and insights. The original poster indicates progress in understanding the problem after considering the suggestions, but no explicit consensus or final solution has been reached.

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Constraints include the assumption of disregarding drag forces and the requirement to start with a finite initial mass. The original poster also notes challenges in applying previously learned mathematical concepts.

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This is for a mechanics class. I'm sort of re-learning how to apply calculus and differential equations in this class, so I get stuck trying to figure out how to apply the math I learned 2 or more semesters ago. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

m.g.

Homework Statement



"A spherical water drop falls through the atmosphere and its mass increases at a
rate proportional to its area. Find the speed of the drop as a function of time, assuming
that the drop started with zero initial speed."

- disregard drag in this problem
- starting mass is a finite mass
- for the area, cross sectional area or surface area can be used, but cross-sectional area will probably be easier

Homework Equations



I modeled this as a momentum problem, similar to a rocket losing mass as it accelerates, but instead as a drop gaining mass as it falls

The Attempt at a Solution



the increase in mass is proportional to the area (I used the cross section):

\frac{dm}{dt} = k4\pir^{2}


The forces are gravity and the changing momentum:

F=mg-\frac{dp}{dt}

which simplifies to:
\frac{dv}{dt} = g - (\frac{v}{m})\frac{dm}{dt}

Substituting in, I get the differential equation which is where I'm stuck:

\frac{dv}{dt} = g - (\frac{v}{m})k4\pir^{2}

I think I need to remove the m from the equation to solve for v but since r changes as a function of time as well, that doesn't seem to help.
 
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m = (4/3)πr3ρ ?
 
could you not deduce from the mass differential equation that dr/dt is a constant
 
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Thanks for the tips. I think I finally got it.

Knowing that \frac{dR}{dt} is constant, R = kt + R0

I also used the mass/volume/density equation suggested above.

I switched variables to get the equation:

\frac{dv}{dR} = \frac{g}{k} - \frac{3v}{R}

(\rho omitted since we are dealing with water)

And I solved from there.

Thanks for the help. I can see how relatively simple it is now.

-mg
 

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