How does an electron carry energy in a circuit?

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The discussion centers on how electrons carry energy in a circuit, exploring the physical changes in electrons under different voltage conditions, and the role of electric fields in this process. It includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding energy transfer and the nature of electric fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how electrons carry energy in a circuit, noting that kinetic energy does not adequately explain the behavior of electrons at different points in the circuit.
  • Another participant suggests that electric fields carry energy, with electrons rearranging themselves to create the desired electric field, indicating that the position of electrons changes under voltage influence.
  • A participant inquires about the generation of electric fields, specifically asking if they are produced by the exchange of virtual photons between electrons.
  • One participant draws an analogy between electrons carrying energy and a boulder carrying energy down a hill, emphasizing potential energy due to position rather than kinetic energy.
  • Another participant acknowledges the complexity of virtual particles and advises caution in their consideration unless engaging with specific quantum theories.
  • A later reply discusses how electrons experience forces from surrounding electrons and suggests that they store electric energy while moving relative to the atoms in the wire, introducing a perspective on relative motion and energy transfer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how energy is carried by electrons, with no consensus reached on the mechanisms involved or the role of electric fields versus kinetic energy. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the concepts involved, including the nature of electric fields and the role of virtual particles, indicating that assumptions about energy transfer and electron behavior may vary based on different theoretical frameworks.

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By what means does an electron carry energy in a circuit? What physical aspect of the electron is changing under the influence of say 6 V versus 12 V?

Kinetic energy doesn't explain it as electrons at later points in the circuit would be slower and bog down higher-energy electrons in earlier parts of the circuit.
 
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Maybe think of the electric fields as carrying the energy. That is what your device is 'using' when its hooked up to voltage, its using the electric field and its properties to do work. In this sense the role electrons play is to rearrange themselves so that you get the electric field you want out of the wire. The 'aspect of the electron' that is changing is its position which in turn changes the electric field.
 
That makes sense, thank you. And if you or someone else could refresh my memory: is the electric field generated by exchange of virtual photons between electrons? Or if not, how is it composed?
 
4 Ton Mantis said:
By what means does an electron carry energy in a circuit? What physical aspect of the electron is changing under the influence of say 6 V versus 12 V?
By what means does a boulder carry energy down a hill? By its position (i.e. potential energy due to position).

4 Ton Mantis said:
Kinetic energy doesn't explain it as electrons at later points in the circuit would be slower and bog down higher-energy electrons in earlier parts of the circuit.
Electrons are so light that their KE is completely negligible in most circuits.
 
4 Ton Mantis said:
That makes sense, thank you. And if you or someone else could refresh my memory: is the electric field generated by exchange of virtual photons between electrons? Or if not, how is it composed?

They are the force carriers of the EM interaction, yes. The subject of virtual particles is very complicated and I highly advise you to simply ignore them unless you are dealing with the various Quantum theories that use them.
 
4 Ton Mantis said:
By what means does an electron carry energy in a circuit? What physical aspect of the electron is changing under the influence of say 6 V versus 12 V?

Kinetic energy doesn't explain it as electrons at later points in the circuit would be slower and bog down higher-energy electrons in earlier parts of the circuit.

This is not so easy question.

An electron in the wire feels that other electrons are pushing it, equally from all directions.

If we ask the electrons, if they are carrying energy, they might say: "we are storing electrick energy, and we are moving relative to the atoms in the wire, because the atoms are all moving to the same direction"

If we look at some electrons that seem to be squeezed together, and the electrons seem to be moving to the right, then it is a correct thing to say that electric energy is moving to the right, relative to us.

But, if we start walking to the right, faster than the electrons, then we must say that electric energy is moving to the left, relative to us.
 

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