How Does Earth's Gravity Affect a Balloon?

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Imagine a balloon with nothing in it except two masses M1 and M2, like first drawing. The gas of atmosphere apply a force to move up Fgas, and the weight apply a force to move down Fm1+2. Weight of M1+M2 is equal to the force from gas (opposite direction). Now, rotate M1 and M2, like that the weight is lower because gravity is a law like 1/d². Fgas>Fm1+2. The balloon attrack Earth to up ? I though it was the diametrical atmosphere (where balloon would be) but we can put a second balloon too without rotate masses (like second drawing). So, can you explain how forces works on Earth ?
 
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  • Diagram of Earth, a blue circle, surrounded by a pale atmosphere ring labelled Atmosphere (gas). Two small white balloons with two black masses each sit at the top and bottom edges of the atmosphere, labelled 2 ballons.
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Maybe it's easier to understand my problem, watch the drawing please. A circular solid SOLID has around it GAS (it's gravity that attrack gas around it). I create a hole HOLE1 at right, this give a force F1. The force F1 come from the pressure of gas. I create another hole but now in the SOLID at left. Normally, H3 gas with gravity must compensate F1, but like a hole exist in the solid, there is less gravity, so the force F2 is lower than F1. Where is the force that compensate 100% of F1 ?
 
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  • Hand-drawn schematic of a circular solid surrounded by gas, with a rope-attached hole on the right labeled HOLE 1 and force F1 pointing right, and a hole labeled HOLE2 on the left with force F2 pointing left from a dashed circle labeled H3.
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Each force has an opposing force of the same magnitude. That is just Newton. There cannot be any unbalanced force. Note that F1 is just an effective force - it is a difference between forces from air (if it would be present) to the forces in this setup (without air).

The balloon and the solid mass both pull on the string with the same force, for a total force of 0.

I really don't see the point in your 10th thread with nearly the same question.
 
I'm trying to explain with an easier example : take a circle with very thin wall, put in it only a mass M but not at the center. The mass of wall of the circle can be consider like 0. Put around the circle a gas. For me, the gas will be like the drawing is showing. But the law of attraction is like 1/d². At external of gas, the pressure is near 0. At the surface of the circle, the pressure is P. In this case, how is possible for the pressure of gas to be the same, because d1 different of d2 ?
 
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  • Diagram of a thin circle with a fixed mass M off-center, surrounded by a blue gas region; labels say pressure is near 0 at the outer edge, d1 and d2 mark distances to the edge, and 'Gravity is on'.
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The pressure of a gas is not affected by the shape of its container and differences in gravitational force are only significant for large differences in d.
 
Each molecule of gas receive a force Fx like drawing is showing. The number of molecules at left is more important than at right, each molecule receive a force Fx function of the local pressure, ok. Imagine at right with 2 molecules, sum of Fx forces must be lower than at left, no ? There is no effect of quantification ?
 
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  • Hand-drawn diagram of three light blue circles stacked vertically, labelled Molecules of gas, with a red arrow labelled Fx pointing left from the middle circle and a black line running diagonally through them.
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Each molecule of gas receive a force Fx like drawing is showing. The number of molecules at left is more important than at right, each molecule receive a force Fx function of the local pressure, ok. Imagine at right with 2 molecules, sum of Fx forces must be lower than at left, no ?
As said, all forces come in equal and opposite pairs, summing to zero.
There is no effect of quantification ?
I don't know what "quantification" means, but if you are asking if the fact that you have two simultaneous collisions matters, it does. The one molecule can gain more momentum than the individual two molecules had prior to the collision because the total momentum is conserved.

Not sure what that has to do with the previous post, though...
 
ok, thanks

I thinks I understood my error, in the post #4, the drawing is showing gas with a shape like egg but in fact gas (or liquid) have the same height on the black circle, it's that ? Consider circle like solar system (big d) and mass M like mass of solar system but not in the center.

Edit: I'm drawing an example, and trying to show force on gas (or liquid), the problem (for me) is the red forces, the shape for gas is or not a circle ?
 
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  • Diagram of a black circle with a dark dot labelled M off-centre, a dashed grey outline outside it showing the fluid shape, black arrows for pressure and red arrows for the reaction from the circle.
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