How Does Friction Affect a Puck Sliding Up an Inclined Plane?

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The discussion focuses on analyzing the forces acting on a puck sliding up an inclined plane, including friction, normal force, and gravity. The student attempts to apply Newton's second law but struggles with the correct formulation of the equations, particularly regarding the coefficients of friction and the initial velocity. Clarifications are made that the puck is not kicked diagonally but straight up the incline, and the coefficients of friction should not have x and y components. The conversation emphasizes the need to correctly express the forces without introducing irrelevant terms like spring constants. Accurate representation of forces is crucial for solving the problem effectively.
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1. Homework Statement
A student kicks a puck with initial speed v_0 so that it slides straight up a plane that is inclined at an angle \theta above the horizontal. the incline has a coefficient of friction (both static and kinetic) of \mu
Write down Newton's second law for the puck and solve it to give it's position as a function of time.

2. Homework Equations

F=m\ddot r

The Attempt at a Solution


idk why I am having such a hard time with this. imagine pucked is kicked diagonally up and to the right. that incline will be the positive x-axis with angle \theta to the horizontal.
forces
1. friction: -x direction
2. normal: positive y axis
3. gravity: straight down(component of x and y)
4. v_0: positive x direction

F_x=m\ddot r
\vec F_g \sin\theta + v_0 -\mu_x = m\ddot x

F_y=0
\vec N - \mu_y + \vec F_g\cos\theta=0

thats as far as I've gotten. are these equations correctly written?

thanks
 
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pizza_dude said:
A student kicks a puck with initial speed v_0 so that it slides straight up a plane
pizza_dude said:
imagine pucked is kicked diagonally up and to the right.
As I understand it, the bold part of the first quote means that the puck is not kicked diagonally up the plane.
 
Nathanael said:
As I understand it, the bold part of the first quote means that the puck is not kicked diagonally up the plane.

after that it says it's an inclined plane.
 
pizza_dude said:
after that it says it's an inclined plane.
Sorry, I thought you were thinking the puck was moving diagonally up the inclined plane instead of straight up the inclined plane.

Your equations aren't correct but it's hard to give you any guidance since you didn't explain them. Perhaps you could start by explaining what you mean by \mu_xand \mu_y?
\mu is the coefficient of friction, a scalar, it doesn't have x and y components.
 
pizza_dude said:
##\vec F_g \sin\theta + v_0 -\mu_x = m\ddot x##
Apart from the question Nathanael asked of what ##\mu_x ## is supposed to be, the ##v_0## makes no sense there. You can't add a force to a velocity.
 
okay...so taking out the v_0 \text { and } \mu_x , \mu_y the equations are correct? but how do the spring constants come into play?
 
pizza_dude said:
okay...so taking out the v_0 \text { and } \mu_x , \mu_y the equations are correct? but how do the spring constants come into play?
You can't just throw them away. You need to replace them with the correct terms, involving friction.
Where have spring constants been mentioned in this thread?
 
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