How does light show particle properties?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dual nature of light, specifically how it exhibits both particle and wave properties. Participants explore phenomena such as light interference patterns and the photoelectric effect, questioning how light can demonstrate different behaviors under varying conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the discrepancy between the discrete ticks from light detectors and the continuous patterns observed in light interference, questioning how light can show such different behaviors.
  • Another participant points out that reducing the intensity of light reveals that the continuous interference pattern builds up gradually, suggesting a connection between intensity and observed behavior.
  • The photoelectric effect is introduced as evidence of light's particle nature, with a focus on the threshold intensity required to produce photoelectrons, which varies with light wavelength.
  • A later reply clarifies that increasing intensity alone does not produce photoelectrons if the light frequency is below a certain threshold, emphasizing the role of frequency in the photoelectric effect.
  • One participant suggests that light has a particle nature while also exhibiting classical wave behaviors at larger scales, seeking confirmation of this view.
  • Another participant references additional evidence for light's particle properties, such as the which-way experiment and photon antibunching, while cautioning against equating light's particles with classical particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of light, with some supporting the idea of light having both particle and wave characteristics, while others emphasize the distinctions between classical and quantum descriptions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these properties.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for careful definitions when discussing light's particle nature, noting that the concept differs from classical particles, which have definite boundaries. There is also an acknowledgment of the complexity surrounding the conditions under which light exhibits its various properties.

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Hi everybody,

There is some things which i can't digest it.In light(gamma or X-ray) detectors we just get tick...tick..tick...tick from detectors,But In the light interference we see pattern(which it is continuous).Wow...how is it possible if you consider same light source for two case!
What hapends for light which show to different behavior?

thanks.
 
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markoX said:
But In the light interference we see pattern(which it is continuous).
Crank down the intensity and you'll see that "continuous" pattern being built up tick by tick.
 
Also consider the "photo-electric" effect. Shining a low intensity light on a photo-electric cell will give no effect at all until, as you increase the intensity, a certain threshold of intensity is reached. A then no increase in the current until you hit twice that that intensity, etc. The intensities required depend upon the wavelength of the light. I believe that was, historically, the first indication that light came in "quanta".
 
HallsofIvy said:
Also consider the "photo-electric" effect. Shining a low intensity light on a photo-electric cell will give no effect at all until, as you increase the intensity, a certain threshold of intensity is reached. A then no increase in the current until you hit twice that that intensity, etc.
I wouldn't put it that way. If the frequency of the light is below the needed threshold, you can increase the intensity all you want and still get nothing. And if the frequency is above the threshold, even a low intensity light will produce photoelectrons.

Nonetheless, you are correct that the photoelectric effect is another demonstration of light's particulate nature.
 
Thanks for your replies.So are you saying me in fact light has particle nature which it shows wave behaviors classically (in large scale)?
 
Er... this post may be relevant with regards to the "particle" properties and the photoelectric effect:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=1891152&postcount=6

I would say that there are two extremely strong type of evidence for the "particle" nature of light: the which-way experiment, and the photon antibunching experiment.

Unlike the standard, naive photoelectric effect, there are no classical, SED-type attempt at describing those two phenomena.

We also must be very careful in clarifying that the "particle" of light that we are talking about here has nothing to do with the classical particle, where a particle has definite spatial boundary, etc. The particle of light here only implies that the energy comes in discrete amounts and not divisible. So at a beamsplitter, it has to choose to go one way, or the other, but not both, thus, a which-way situation.

Zz.
 

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