How Does Logarithmic Solution Limit the Roots of x^a=b?

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The discussion focuses on solving the equation x^a = b using both root and logarithmic methods. It highlights that while the root method can yield both positive and negative solutions, the logarithmic method only provides the positive solution due to the nature of logarithms. The conversation raises questions about the number of solutions when a is rational or irrational, and the implications when a or b are not real numbers. A key point made is that the square root operation results in the absolute value of x, which explains why only the positive solution appears in logarithmic calculations. Overall, understanding the limitations of logarithmic solutions in this context is crucial for accurately determining the roots of the equation.
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if x^a=b (a,b are constants)
then there are two ways of finding x: root and log
so for example, x^2=4
by root:
(x^2)^(1/2)=(4)^(1/2)
x=\pm2
by log:
2 ln (x) = 2 ln 2
x=2
but it is yet impossible to obtain the negative x from logs. How are you supposed to do it? And here's a few questions:
1.when a is rational how do you know x have 1 or 2 answers?
2.what happens when a is not rational?
3.what happens when a or(and) b is not real?


thanks
Victor Lu
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x^a=b
log[x](b)=a <--- [x] is base x
log(b)/log(x)=a
(1/a)*log(b)=log(x)
log(b^(1/a))=log(x)
b^(1/a)=x
 
also i think i can say that there is no difference in whether you change a to rational or irrational, and there will always be two solutions, as it will always be some root
but i don't know about non-real numbers, sorry.
 
n_kelthuzad said:
if x^a=b (a,b are constants)
then there are two ways of finding x: root and log
so for example, x^2=4
by root:
(x^2)^(1/2)=(4)^(1/2)
x=\pm2
by log:
2 ln (x) = 2 ln 2
x=2
but it is yet impossible to obtain the negative x from logs. How are you supposed to do it? And here's a few questions:
1.when a is rational how do you know x have 1 or 2 answers?
2.what happens when a is not rational?
3.what happens when a or(and) b is not real?


thanks
Victor Lu
16
Hi, Victor!

when you take the SQUARE root of x^2, the CORRECT answer is root(x^2)=|x|, not x.
|x| is what we call "the absolute value" of the number x, i.e, its distance from 0 (irrespective of direction), which is always a non-negative number.

Thus, solving x^2=4 with the square root operation gives you FIRST:
|x|=2

Then, when you wish to remove the absolute value sign, you get two solutions.

root(4)=2 always, never -2
 
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