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Here is a problem I spent my sunday trying to solve. I made progress, but still something is wrong.
A drum of mass MA and radius a rotates freely with initial angular velocity \omega_{A}(0). A second drum with mass MB and radius b>a is mounted on the same axis and is at rest, although it is free to rotate. A thin layer of sand with mass MS is distributed on the inner surface of the smaller drum. At t=0 small perforations in the inner drum are opened. The sand starts to fly out at a constant rate \lambda and sticks to the outer drum. Find the subsequent angular velocities of the two drums \omega_{A} and \omega_{B}. Ignore the transit time of the sand.
Ans. clue. If \lambda t = M_{B} and b=2a then \omega_{B}=\omega_{A}(0)/8
\frac{dL}{dt}=0
L=mr^{2}\omega
I begin by looking at the angular momentum of the inner drum: L_{A}(t)=(M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t)a^{2}\omega_{A}(t) and at a later time L_{A}(t+\Delta t)=(M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda (t+\Delta t))a^{2}\omega_{A}(t+\Delta t)+\lambda \Delta t a^{2}\omega_{A}(t). Taking the limit and dividing by dt gives \frac{dL_{A}}{dt}=(M_{A}+M{S}-\lambda t)a^{2}\frac{d\omega_{A}}{dt}-\omega_{A}\lambda a^{2}=0. This is a differential equation which can be solved by switching a little to give
\omega_{A}=\omega_{A}(0)\frac{M_{A}+M_{S}}{M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t}
I think this might be right.
However, the second part I am not so sure of. First of all some energy is lost when the sand falls in partly perpendicular to the surface of the outer drum. One can show that a fraction a/b of the momentum survives and the rest becomes heat. Therefore the angular momentum of the outer drum at time t will be L_{B}(t)=(\lambda t + M_{B})b^{2}\omega_{B}(t)+b\frac{a}{b}a\omega_{A} \lambda \Delta t, where the second term is the incoming sand losing some mechanical energy. At a later time L_{B}(t)=(\lambda (t+\Delta t) + M_{B})b^{2}\omega_{B}(t+\Delta t). Taking the limit and dividing by dt gives \frac{dL_{B}}{dt}=(\lambda t+M_{B})b^{2}\frac{d\omega_{B}}{dt}+\lambda(\omega_{B}b^{2}-\omega_{A}(0)a^{2}\frac{M_{A}+M_{S}}{M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t})=0 This is a linear differential equation which can be solved to give \omega_{B}(t)=\omega_{A}(0)\frac{a^{2}}{b^{2}}\ln \lgroup \frac{M_{A}+M_{S}}{M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t}\rgroup \frac{M_{A}+M_{S}}{M_{B}+\lambda t}
This is not in accordance with the clue, nor with my answer sheet that says \omega_{B}=\omega_{A}(0)\frac{a^{2}(M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t)}{b^{2}(M_{B}+\lambda t)}
Please tell me if something is unclear.
Homework Statement
A drum of mass MA and radius a rotates freely with initial angular velocity \omega_{A}(0). A second drum with mass MB and radius b>a is mounted on the same axis and is at rest, although it is free to rotate. A thin layer of sand with mass MS is distributed on the inner surface of the smaller drum. At t=0 small perforations in the inner drum are opened. The sand starts to fly out at a constant rate \lambda and sticks to the outer drum. Find the subsequent angular velocities of the two drums \omega_{A} and \omega_{B}. Ignore the transit time of the sand.
Ans. clue. If \lambda t = M_{B} and b=2a then \omega_{B}=\omega_{A}(0)/8
Homework Equations
\frac{dL}{dt}=0
L=mr^{2}\omega
The Attempt at a Solution
I begin by looking at the angular momentum of the inner drum: L_{A}(t)=(M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t)a^{2}\omega_{A}(t) and at a later time L_{A}(t+\Delta t)=(M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda (t+\Delta t))a^{2}\omega_{A}(t+\Delta t)+\lambda \Delta t a^{2}\omega_{A}(t). Taking the limit and dividing by dt gives \frac{dL_{A}}{dt}=(M_{A}+M{S}-\lambda t)a^{2}\frac{d\omega_{A}}{dt}-\omega_{A}\lambda a^{2}=0. This is a differential equation which can be solved by switching a little to give
\omega_{A}=\omega_{A}(0)\frac{M_{A}+M_{S}}{M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t}
I think this might be right.
However, the second part I am not so sure of. First of all some energy is lost when the sand falls in partly perpendicular to the surface of the outer drum. One can show that a fraction a/b of the momentum survives and the rest becomes heat. Therefore the angular momentum of the outer drum at time t will be L_{B}(t)=(\lambda t + M_{B})b^{2}\omega_{B}(t)+b\frac{a}{b}a\omega_{A} \lambda \Delta t, where the second term is the incoming sand losing some mechanical energy. At a later time L_{B}(t)=(\lambda (t+\Delta t) + M_{B})b^{2}\omega_{B}(t+\Delta t). Taking the limit and dividing by dt gives \frac{dL_{B}}{dt}=(\lambda t+M_{B})b^{2}\frac{d\omega_{B}}{dt}+\lambda(\omega_{B}b^{2}-\omega_{A}(0)a^{2}\frac{M_{A}+M_{S}}{M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t})=0 This is a linear differential equation which can be solved to give \omega_{B}(t)=\omega_{A}(0)\frac{a^{2}}{b^{2}}\ln \lgroup \frac{M_{A}+M_{S}}{M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t}\rgroup \frac{M_{A}+M_{S}}{M_{B}+\lambda t}
This is not in accordance with the clue, nor with my answer sheet that says \omega_{B}=\omega_{A}(0)\frac{a^{2}(M_{A}+M_{S}-\lambda t)}{b^{2}(M_{B}+\lambda t)}
Please tell me if something is unclear.