How Does Rsinθ Relate to Extra String Length in Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between Rsinθ and the extra string length in a physics problem involving a mass on a cylinder. Participants clarify that Rsinθ represents the height gained when the mass is pushed to an angle θ, while the extra string length relates to the arc length subtended by an angle φ, which is expressed as Rθ. The concept of radians is highlighted, emphasizing that the length of an arc in a circle is proportional to the radius multiplied by the angle in radians. The original poster seeks a rigorous explanation for this relationship, expressing confusion about the physical setup and the calculations involved. Overall, the thread focuses on understanding the geometry of the situation to derive the potential energy expression accurately.
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How do they get from the Rsinθ the value I have found the one I search: Rθ (extra string length)

I know that sinθ = θ when θ is small but there Rsinθ is the extra height the mass gain when we push it from initial position to a θ angle with vertical, I don't see how it could be the extra string length.

Thank you
 
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Hi, Dragster. It would be very helpful if you could describe the physical setup. I think I see what some of the expressions in the figure represent. But I don't understand at all what the small circle with diameter ##R\phi## represents. Is that some physical object?
 
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How do they get from the Rsinθ the value I have found the one I search: Rθ (extra string length)

I know that sinθ = θ when θ is small but there Rsinθ is the extra height the mass gain when we push it from initial position to a θ angle with vertical, I don't see how it could be the extra string length.

Thank you

Like TSny, I don't get the exact physical setup. But I can tell you that the arc length (length along the curve of the circumference) subtended by an angle ##\phi## along a circle of radius ##R## is ##R\phi##. Does that help in relating the "extra string length" to that expression?
 
I added the black circle with the ''?" on the top right.

Do you mind if I can get the rigorous explanation why the arc is Rθ? Thank you for the fast answers

Oh yea and for the problem, the string is attached on a cylinder. At theta = 0 with the vertical, the length is l0 and the asked result is the potential energy expression if the mass is pushed with an angle theta. I was only blocking on the part where I needed to know what was the extra string length.
 
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Do you mind if I can get the rigorous explanation why the arc is Rθ? Thank you for the fast answers

It's from the definition of how angles are measured:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radian
 
When the string is vertical, the 'extra' string is wrapped against the cylinder and subtends angle phi at the centre. Clearly the angle subtended by an arc of a circle at its centre is proportional to the length of the arc, and the radian is defined in such a way that the length is simply radius * angle.
 
Oh well I am really stupid after all.
Thank you cepheid et harusphex :)
First university session makes me feel like a complete ignorant idiot.
 
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