How Does the Equation of State for a Solid Change with Temperature and Pressure?

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of state for a solid, specifically focusing on how it changes with temperature and pressure. The original poster presents an equation involving an isobaric expansion coefficient and an isothermal pressure-volume coefficient, seeking to derive the volume equation from these relationships.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to integrate the first equation to find the volume equation but questions the correctness of their result compared to a textbook answer. Other participants point out that the original poster's answer does not satisfy the second equation provided in the problem statement, leading to further inquiries about how to reconcile the two equations.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the problem statement and the relationships between the equations. There is a recognition of a potential error in the original problem setup, and some guidance is offered regarding the treatment of the initial volume as a function of pressure. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the original poster's solution.

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There is mention of confusion regarding the problem statement, with indications that it may have been edited or mistyped. This has led to uncertainty in the interpretation of the equations involved.

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Homework Statement


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Find the equation of state of a solid that has an isobaric expansion coefficient
dV/dT = 2cT - bp
and an isothermal pressure-volume coefficient
dV/dp = -bT
(Assume the solid has a volume Vo at zero temperature and pressure. Enter a mathematical equation. Use any variable or symbol stated above as necessary.)

Homework Equations



None, just need to find the integral of the first equation

The Attempt at a Solution


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So I took the integral of the first equation to find the volume equation:
V = ∫(2cT - bp)dT = cT^2 - bpT + Vo
but Vo = 0, so:
V = cT^2 - bpT
or
V - cT^2 +bpT = 0
However, when I entered this as the answer, it marked it as wrong. Then I found the answer to this question in my textbook and it says that the correct answer is:
V - bpT + cT^2 = 0
So is the textbook wrong? Or did I do something wrong in my solution?
 
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It doesn't look like your answer satisfies the 2nd equation in your problem statement.
 
Chestermiller said:
It doesn't look like your answer satisfies the 2nd equation in your problem statement.
How do I make my answer satisfy the 2nd equation? I'm just a little confused because this isn't something we went over in the lecture.
 
After the first integration, ##V_0## should be considered a function of p, ##V_0(p)##. So, at constant temperature,
$$\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial p}\right)_T=-bT+\frac{dV_0}{dp}=-bT$$

Wait a minute! You edited the original problem statement. Which is it?
 
Chestermiller said:
After the first integration, ##V_0## should be considered a function of p, ##V_0(p)##. So, at constant temperature,
$$\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial p}\right)_T=-bT+\frac{dV_0}{dp}=-bT$$

Wait a minute! You edited the original problem statement. Which is it?
The current equations above are the right ones. I originally mistyped the question.
 
hnnhcmmngs said:
The current equations above are the right ones. I originally mistyped the question.
Then your answer is correct.
 
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