How Does the Force Between Electric Dipoles Vary with Distance?

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The discussion centers on calculating the force between two electric dipoles arranged nose to tail at a distance r, where r is much greater than the separation distance d between the charges in each dipole. The user initially attempted to derive the force using Coulomb's law but was confused about the distinction between r and d. Clarifications were provided regarding the definitions of r and d, emphasizing that r represents the distance between the dipoles while d is the separation within each dipole. The conversation highlights the necessity of using approximations, such as Taylor's series, to accurately express the force's dependence on distance. Ultimately, the user gains a clearer understanding of the relationship and the mathematical implications for the force's behavior as it varies with distance.
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Homework Statement


Arrange two electric dipoles with dipole moments qd nose to tail at a distance r (r >> d) along a line including their axis. Use Coulomb's law to show that the force between them varies as r4.


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So in my first attempt, all I did was solve the dipole moment eqn for q, (q1=p1/d, q2=-p2/d) and plug that into Coulomb's law so that you get F= -(p1p2/d2)/(4(pi)(eps0)r2)

Now the part where I am confused is the difference between r and d. If they are just different ways of describing the same thing, then I would get r4 in the denominator which I think then proves that the force falls off at r4.
Is this assumption correct? What is the difference between r and d?
 
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r and d are different .. notice you have (r >> d) in the problem statement.

remember that a dipole consists of two charges separated a small distance.
so the layout looks something like

-q1 ... q1 {space here == distance = r} -q2 ... q2

or as a dipole interaction
--> (d1) {space here == distance = r} --> (d2)
[where d1 = q1*d and d2 = q2*d ]

where the distance d is the distance between -q1 and q1 and
-q2 and q2 and the distance r>>d is the distance between the dipoles.
(might as well consider it the distance from center to center.)

so you'll need to use coulomb's law and some approximation [Taylor's series]
such that r>>d (or d/r << 1).
 
Ah ok, that makes perfect sense. My textbook author doesn't always break things down that much, but I understand now. Thanks very much for your help!
 
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