How Does Time-Dependent Perturbation Impact Quantum States?

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The discussion revolves around the impact of time-dependent perturbation theory on quantum states, specifically in the context of a hydrogen atom. The problem involves a potential that combines a Coulomb potential with a small time-dependent perturbation, and it explores the transition probabilities between quantum states under slow (adiabatic) and fast perturbation conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of adiabatic versus rapid changes in the potential on the quantum state of the system. They question the transition probabilities and the differences in the system's behavior at the final time tf. There is also inquiry into the characteristic time scale relevant to the perturbation.

Discussion Status

Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, attempting to clarify notation and assumptions. There is a recognition of the need to differentiate between the two perturbation scenarios, and some guidance has been offered regarding the characteristic time scale related to energy differences. However, explicit consensus on the interpretations or solutions has not been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem does not explicitly state the system being analyzed, though it is inferred to be a hydrogen atom. There is also discussion about the notation used in the problem, particularly regarding the quantum number l.

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Homework Statement



V= V0 (r) + V1(r,t)

V0 (r) =-e^2/r

V1(r,t) is a small perturbation which is being activated only in the interval 0<t<tf

The system starts in the ground state, where l =0

1. If the change in the potential is very slow, what is the probability of finding the system at
tf in the state where l = 1?
2. The same question only now consider the case where the change is fast.
3. What is the condition that tf needs to satisfy in order to be small enough as to be considered as a fast perturbation?

2. The attempt at a solution

1. The change is adiabatic so the state of the system does not change. Thus it remains in the ground state and the probability to find the system in another state is zero.
2. Here the change very quick, so the wave function doesn't change at all, so again the transition probability is zero.
But here I need your help - I get the same transition probability in both cases. What is the difference between the two systems (the one that changed adiabatically and the one that changed rapidly) at tf? they both remain in an eigenstate of the Hamiltonian operator, but the eigenenergies are different? Does the wavefunction in the first case change?
3. It is clear that tf should be smaller than some characteristic time of the system, but how do I find it?

Thanks in advance!
 
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maria clara said:

Homework Statement



V= V0 (r) + V1(r,t)

V0 (r) =-e^2/r

V1(r,t) is a small perturbation which is being activated only in the interval 0<t<tf

The system starts in the ground state, where l =0

1. If the change in the potential is very slow, what is the probability of finding the system at
tf in the state where l = 1?
2. The same question only now consider the case where the change is fast.
3. What is the condition that tf needs to satisfy in order to be small enough as to be considered as a fast perturbation?

2. The attempt at a solution

1. The change is adiabatic so the state of the system does not change. Thus it remains in the ground state and the probability to find the system in another state is zero.
2. Here the change very quick, so the wave function doesn't change at all, so again the transition probability is zero.
But here I need your help - I get the same transition probability in both cases. What is the difference between the two systems (the one that changed adiabatically and the one that changed rapidly) at tf? they both remain in an eigenstate of the Hamiltonian operator, but the eigenenergies are different? Does the wavefunction in the first case change?
3. It is clear that tf should be smaller than some characteristic time of the system, but how do I find it?

Thanks in advance!

I'm not familiar with your notation. What is I?

Is it an energy?

Is there a scale in this problem? What is it? What are it's units? Can you use fundamental constants to turn it into a time scale?
 
Hi olgranpappy,

I copied the question as it is.
It isn't the Capital letter I, it's a lowercase "L" - l, the second quantum number.

I guess that the "system" is a hydrogen atom, though it isn't explicitly stated in the problem.


thanks in advance.
 
maria clara said:
Hi olgranpappy,

I copied the question as it is.
It isn't the Capital letter I, it's a lowercase "L" - l, the second quantum number.
Ah. Okay.

I guess that the "system" is a hydrogen atom, though it isn't explicitly stated in the problem.
The V_0 is the potential seen by an electron in the hydrogen atom. So, it is implicit that we are talking about hydrogen atom orbitals as the unperturbed basis.

"The state with l=1" does not make sense because there are many states with l=1. Presumably the question is asking about transtitions to the lowest state with l=1?

thus the energy scale involved is the difference in energy between the ground state and the first excited state. this can be turned into a time scale by using Planck's constant.
 
OK, so I guess I should just take hbar/\DeltaE as the characteristic time of the system.
But what about the difference between the two systems described abouve at tf?

Thanks(:
 
maria clara said:
OK, so I guess I should just take hbar/\DeltaE as the characteristic time of the system.
But what about the difference between the two systems described abouve at tf?

how have you attempted to answer this question on your own? can you show some work?
 

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