How is (d^3)r in Green's Function equivalent to volume element?

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The discussion revolves around the notation and interpretation of the three-dimensional Dirac delta function and its relation to volume elements in the context of an online tutorial. Participants are exploring the equivalence of different notations for volume elements, particularly the use of d^3r in integrals involving the Dirac delta function.

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  • Participants are questioning the notation of d^3r and its equivalence to traditional volume elements in Cartesian coordinates. Some express confusion about the integration notation and seek consistency in definitions.

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There are multiple interpretations being explored regarding the notation and its implications. Some participants have offered clarifications about the definitions of volume elements, while others are still seeking deeper understanding and consistency in the notation used.

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Participants note that the discussion is framed within the context of an online tutorial, and there is an emphasis on understanding the notation rather than deriving solutions. The conversation reflects a mix of confusion and attempts to reconcile different mathematical conventions.

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Homework Statement



This is part of the online tutorial I'm reading: http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node49.html

I'm so confused about the notation of Dirac Delta. It's said that 3-dimensional delta function is denoted as \delta^3(x, y, z)=\delta(x)\delta(y)\delta(z) in http://mathworld.wolfram.com/DeltaFunction.html or \delta(\textbf{x})=\delta(x_1)\delta(x_2)\delta(x_3) in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_delta_function#Properties_in_n_dimensions , which was taken by me as granted before.

However in the tutorial, it's said that v(\textbf{r})=\int \delta(\textbf{r}-\textbf{r'})v(\textbf{r'})d^3\textbf{r'} and the d^3\textbf{r'} is confusing me. I'm pretty sure that the tutorial is referring to a 3-dimensional coordinate system and I suppose that \textbf{r'}=x' \cdot \textbf{i}+y' \cdot \textbf{j}+z' \cdot \textbf{k} is indicating the position vector. Thus how does d^3\textbf{r'} work here?

In my understanding, for Cartesian Coordinate, the traditional delta property is

v(\textbf{r})=\int \int \int \delta(\textbf{r}-\textbf{r'})v(\textbf{r'})dx'dy'dz'

or

v(\textbf{r})=\int \delta(\textbf{r}-\textbf{r'})v(\textbf{r'})dV'.

It's not obvious to me that v(\textbf{r})=\int \delta(\textbf{r}-\textbf{r'})v(\textbf{r'})d^3\textbf{r'} is equivalent to either of them.

Any help is appreciated :)

Homework Equations



v(\textbf{r})=\int \int \int \delta(\textbf{r}-\textbf{r'})v(\textbf{r'})dx'dy'dz'
v(\textbf{r})=\int \delta(\textbf{r}-\textbf{r'})v(\textbf{r'})dV'

The Attempt at a Solution



Mentioned above.
 
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This is the definition of dV and d^3r. Not writing out the triple ingegral is merely convention. Also, naturally, the volumr dV of a box of side lengths dx, dy, and dz is dx dy dz.
 
genxium said:

Homework Statement



This is part of the online tutorial I'm reading: http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node49.html

I'm so confused about the notation of Dirac Delta. It's said that 3-dimensional delta function is denoted as \delta^3(x, y, z)=\delta(x)\delta(y)\delta(z) in http://mathworld.wolfram.com/DeltaFunction.html or \delta(\textbf{x})=\delta(x_1)\delta(x_2)\delta(x_3) in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_delta_function#Properties_in_n_dimensions , which was taken by me as granted before.

However in the tutorial, it's said that v(\textbf{r})=\int \delta(\textbf{r}-\textbf{r'})v(\textbf{r'})d^3\textbf{r'} and the d^3\textbf{r'} is confusing me. I'm pretty sure that the tutorial is referring to a 3-dimensional coordinate system and I suppose that \textbf{r'}=x' \cdot \textbf{i}+y' \cdot \textbf{j}+z' \cdot \textbf{k} is indicating the position vector. Thus how does d^3\textbf{r'} work here?

In my understanding, for Cartesian Coordinate, the traditional delta property is

v(\textbf{r})=\int \int \int \delta(\textbf{r}-\textbf{r'})v(\textbf{r'})dx'dy'dz'

or

v(\textbf{r})=\int \delta(\textbf{r}-\textbf{r'})v(\textbf{r'})dV'.

It's not obvious to me that v(\textbf{r})=\int \delta(\textbf{r}-\textbf{r'})v(\textbf{r'})d^3\textbf{r'} is equivalent to either of them.

Any help is appreciated :)

Homework Equations



v(\textbf{r})=\int \int \int \delta(\textbf{r}-\textbf{r'})v(\textbf{r'})dx'dy'dz'
v(\textbf{r})=\int \delta(\textbf{r}-\textbf{r'})v(\textbf{r'})dV'

The Attempt at a Solution



Mentioned above.

Your confusion has nothing to do with Dirac; it is just notational confusion in integration. There is nothing to be confused about: in a cartesian coordinate system, ##dx \, dy \, dz = dV = d^3 \vec{r}##, by definition. And, as Orodruin has said, ##\int = \int \int \int## is a common contraction.
 
Thank you for the replies.

@Ray Vickson, yes it's fine for me to take it as a definition :)

In fact I'm expecting to find consistency between notations, like that d^3\textbf{r} \stackrel{\Delta}{=} dV is introduced by "reasoning" instead of "convenience". However if it's indeed just a convenient notation I'll still be happy to go on reading and learning the tutorial.

Here's what I've tried but failed to find the "consistency" in Cartesian coordinate:

d\textbf{r} = \frac{\partial \textbf{r}}{\partial x} \cdot dx + \frac{\partial \textbf{r}}{\partial y} \cdot dy + \frac{\partial \textbf{r}}{\partial z} \cdot dz = dx \cdot \textbf{i} + dy \cdot \textbf{j} + dz \cdot \textbf{k}

d^2 \textbf{r} = d(d\textbf{r}) = \frac{\partial (d\textbf{r})}{\partial x} \cdot dx + \frac{\partial (d\textbf{r})}{\partial y} \cdot dy + \frac{\partial (d\textbf{r})}{\partial z} \cdot dz

I'm stuck here because there's no explicit term x or y or z in d\textbf{r}.

Anyway this is no longer a big problem for me as it was 1 week ago :)
 

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