How Is Effective Weight Calculated in a Spinning Carnival Ride?

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The problem involves calculating the effective weight of a girl standing in a spinning cylindrical cage on a carnival ride, considering her mass, the radius of the cage, and her speed. The context includes concepts from dynamics and circular motion.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how to derive the effective weight using given formulas and the Pythagorean theorem. Some participants question the relationship between gravitational and centripetal forces and their directions, suggesting that this understanding is key to applying the theorem correctly.

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Participants are exploring the relationship between forces and their directions, with some guidance provided on the use of vectors and the Pythagorean theorem. There is an acknowledgment of improved understanding among participants, but no explicit consensus has been reached.

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There is a mention of the need to clarify the setup of forces and their directions, which may not be fully addressed in the original problem statement or textbook.

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Homework Statement


On a carnival ride, a girl of mass m stands in a cylindrical cage of radius R. The cage is spun about its cylindrical axis so that her speed is v. What is her effective weight?

Homework Equations


we= mg-ma

wxe = mv/R2, wey = -mg

The Attempt at a Solution


This is an example problem in my book and I'm not sure how they put everything together to solve it. Upon presenting the above forumulas, it says to next use the Pythagorean theorem for it to get:

we = m √g2 + (v2/R)2

Then goes on to say that the girl's effective weight is greater than mg.
I'm not sure how they set up their formula into the Pythagorean formula from the formulas above. Any clarification would be appreciated.
 
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mg-ma is only the effective weight when the acceleration and gravity are in the same direction (or with sign of 'a' reversed for opposite directions). But in this problem, gravity and acceleration are not parallel or anti-parallel.

Think about the centripetal and gravitational forces. Which directions will they be in? From this, you can see why they use Pythagoras' formula.
 
BruceW said:
mg-ma is only the effective weight when the acceleration and gravity are in the same direction (or with sign of 'a' reversed for opposite directions). But in this problem, gravity and acceleration are not parallel or anti-parallel.

Think about the centripetal and gravitational forces. Which directions will they be in? From this, you can see why they use Pythagoras' formula.

Oh! Ok, that makes more sense, I didn't understand in reading my textbook, thanks for clarifying! So then, they each form their own vectors in coming together to produce a triangle, which is why Pythagorean Thorem is needed. Thank you!
 
yep, that's it :)
 

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