How Is Equilibrium Achieved in a Magnetic Levitation System?

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The discussion revolves around the equilibrium conditions in a magnetic levitation system, specifically focusing on a nonlinear differential equation that describes the vertical displacement of a metallic object suspended under an electromagnet. Participants explore the mathematical derivation of equilibrium and the linearization of the equation around that point.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a nonlinear differential equation governing the system and proposes to show that equilibrium is achieved when Ho=Io*sqrt(k/mg).
  • Another participant emphasizes that equilibrium implies zero time derivative, suggesting a Taylor series expansion for linearization.
  • Some participants express frustration over the lack of step-by-step guidance in solving the problem, questioning the assumption that the process is trivial.
  • There are requests for clarification on how to approach the Taylor expansion and which values to use for the expansion.
  • A later reply suggests writing the differential equation in a specific form to facilitate the Taylor expansion and outlines the approach to express deviations around equilibrium values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to set the time derivative to zero for equilibrium but express differing levels of understanding regarding the subsequent steps, particularly in linearization. There is no consensus on the ease of the problem, as some find it trivial while others struggle with the initial steps.

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Participants note that the problem involves algebraic manipulation and the application of Taylor series, but there are varying assumptions about prior knowledge and the clarity of instructions provided in the discussion.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying magnetic levitation systems, differential equations, or those seeking assistance with similar homework problems in physics or engineering contexts.

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Here is a doozy

In a magnetic levatation experiment a metallic object is help up in the air suspended under an electromagnet. The vertical displacement of the object can be described by the following nonlinear differential equation.

m(d^2H/dt^2)=mg-k(I^2/H^2)

m=mass of object
g=gravity acc const
k=const
H=distance between electromagnet and object (output signal)
I=electromagnet current ( input signal)

a) show that the system is in equilibrium when
Ho=Io*sqrt(k/mg)

b) Linearize the equation about the equilibrium point found in part a and show that the resulting transfer function obtained from the linearized differential equation can be expressed as

(deltaH(S)/deltaI(s))=-a/(s^2-b^2)

a>0
 
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erahartman said:
Here is a doozy

In a magnetic levatation experiment a metallic object is help up in the air suspended under an electromagnet. The vertical displacement of the object can be described by the following nonlinear differential equation.

m(d^2H/dt^2)=mg-k(I^2/H^2)

m=mass of object
g=gravity acc const
k=const
H=distance between electromagnet and object (output signal)
I=electromagnet current ( input signal)

a) show that the system is in equilibrium when
Ho=Io*sqrt(k/mg)

b) Linearize the equation about the equilibrium point found in part a and show that the resulting transfer function obtained from the linearized differential equation can be expressed as

(deltaH(S)/deltaI(s))=-a/(s^2-b^2)

a>0

In equilibrium, the time derivative is equal to zero. This should make sense to you because equilibrium means that nothing is changing, and anything that is constant, has a derivative of zero.

The second part is to linearize the differential equation around the equilibrium point which is simply done by doing a Taylor series expansion around the operating point and keeping only the linear terms. You can then transform the linearized equation.

The problem goes from being a doozy to being trivial, if you take this approach.
 
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If we are being assigned problems like this it should be "obvious" that we know to do a taylor expansion. If this problem is "simply done" and "trivial" how about you show us how to do it instead of reitterating what the book says.

Thanks.
 
What would the first couple steps be?
 
Fr3nch said:
If we are being assigned problems like this it should be "obvious" that we know to do a taylor expansion. If this problem is "simply done" and "trivial" how about you show us how to do it instead of reitterating what the book says.

Thanks.

How do I know what your book says? How do I know what your professor has taught you?

How about if you guys make an attempt at the solution according to the rules in this forum?

I would expect that at least the first part is doable considering it's a trivial algebra problem once I told you that the time derivative is zero.

Perhaps if you show that you can solve the first part and then explain what is confusing about doing the Taylor expansion, you might find that I, or someone else, would be inclined to help further.
 
I can't get started on either I am stuck that's why I posted the problem. I know that you set the first part equal to zero but i don't know how to prove that Ho=Io* sqrt(k/mg)
 
erahartman said:
I can't get started on either I am stuck that's why I posted the problem. I know that you set the first part equal to zero but i don't know how to prove that Ho=Io* sqrt(k/mg)

OK, it's just simple algebra. Write out the equation for the time derivative, as you already did. Then set it equal to zero, which you claim you already know that you should do.

Now, the next step may be your issue. Re-label H and I as Ho and Io so that it is clear that these are the equilibrium values and not the time dependent values.

Then rearrange the equation so that you have Ho as a function of Io. This part is just simple algebra.
 
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Thanks
 
erahartman said:
Thanks

OK, it sounds like you understand the first part. The second part is simpler than it sounds, but I agree that it will look daunting the first time you do it. I would ask that if you have any trouble with the second part and want help, post your attempt, and then we can step through the solution.
 
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Got the first part now thanks. For the second part what to values would I do the taylor expansion between?
 
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Sorry I meant 2 not to.
 
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erahartman said:
Got the first part now thanks. For the second part what two values would I do the taylor expansion between?

I wouldn't word the question this way. I would rather say that the Taylor expansion will be done around a point with two values specifying the point (Ho,Io). So the two values are Ho and Io.

To help get you started, I would recommend writing the differential equation as follows.

[tex]{{d^2\; H}\over{dt^2}}=g-{{k\;I^2}\over{m\; H^2}}=f(H,I)[/tex]

Next, the idea is going to be that the time dependent input and output signals (I and H) can be represented as their equalibrium positions (Io and Ho), plus small deviations around those values, as follows.

[tex]I=I_o+\Delta I[/tex]
[tex]H=H_o+\Delta H[/tex]

Now, you can remember your first order Taylor expansion (in two variables) and express it as follows.

[tex]f(H,I)\approx f(H_o, I_o) + {{\partial\; f}\over{\partial H}}\Bigg\vert_{(Ho,Io)} \Delta H + {{\partial\; f}\over{\partial I}}\Bigg\vert_{(Ho,Io)} \Delta I[/tex]

From there, you just need to work out the math.
 
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Got it thanks Steven for the help, it is much appreciated.

Era
 

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