How Is Extra Energy Calculated in a Stretched Wire?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the extra energy stored in a stretched wire when the tension is increased. Participants are examining the relationship between tension, length, and energy in the context of elastic materials.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the equation for energy stored in a wire and question the validity of subtracting energy values. Some express uncertainty about the correct formula and its application to the problem.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the energy calculation. Some participants suggest alternative approaches, such as using average force, while others seek clarification on the physical reasoning behind the results. Multiple perspectives are being discussed without a clear consensus.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the units of energy and force in the equations presented. There is also mention of the need for clarity on the multiple choice options provided in the original problem.

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Homework Statement


Under tension T the wire has lenghth of m, its length becomes n when the tension is increase to T'. What is the extra energy stored in the wire as a result of this process?

Homework Equations


E=1/2 Fe[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


Extra energy= E(n)-E(m) = 1/2 x (T'n-Tm)

There is no such answer in the multiple choices. Am I wrong when I subtracted the two energy?[/B]
 
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I might be wrong but is that the right equation for the energy stored in a "spring"?


 
CWatters said:
I might be wrong but is that the right equation for the energy stored in a "spring"?
It is applicable to any specimens when they are extended or compressed within their limits.
 
E=1/2 Fe looks like some average force times extension when starting at zero force. $$\int_n^m T\; ds$$ would be a lot better. See what that gives. (What are the multiple choice options to choose from ?)
 
I don't think they require the exact energy. The right answer is 1/2(T'+T)(n-m) but I have no idea why.
 
Well, that IS average force times extension
 
But I just don't understand why i was wrong. Could you please explain how they get the result physically?
 
Anybody explain the result for me please ?
 
Tulatalu said:
1/2(T'+T)(n-m)

If I'm not mistaken ,, I think this is related a work-energy theorem
the energy is equal to the external work

So
$$E_f-E_i = 0.5 (T'_n-T_m)(n-m)$$

the left side is the energy difference , the right side is the average work done by the tension force [average force times the distance]
this is what i can say ,,
:)
 
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Tulatalu said:
Extra energy= E(n)-E(m) = 1/2 x (T'n-Tm)

I think that is not the right answer ,,

the left side is an energy , while the right side is a force ,,,

Check the units of each side ,,,

Are they equal ??
 
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the left side is an energy , while the right side is a force
I thought the same thought at first, until I realized it (the n and the m) was a multiplication, not a subscript.

The formula stems from inserting T = k x and ds = dx in $$\int_0^n T\; ds = \int_0^n kx\; dx = \left [{1\over 2} k x^2 \right ]^n_0 = {1\over 2} kx\; x = {1\over 2} Tx$$

(I strongly prefer and recommend ## {1\over 2} kx^2 ## !)

Numerically there isn't much difference between the 'absent' and the 'right' multiple choice

[edit] the integral bounds look a bit stupid. lower bound is equilibrium position (T=0)
 
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