How Is Terminal Velocity Calculated in a Magnetic Rail System?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the terminal velocity of a bar being pulled across frictionless rails in a magnetic field. The initial calculation yielded a terminal velocity of 1.61 m/s using the formula derived from the balance of forces and Ohm's Law. A participant questioned the acceleration at a specific velocity of 1.1 m/s, leading to confusion regarding the inclusion of the bar's mass in the equations. The correct approach involves using the combined mass of the suspended weight and the bar to determine acceleration, as outlined in the final response. The calculations emphasize the importance of accurately applying the principles of physics to arrive at the correct results.
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A bar of negligible resistance and mass of 17 kg is pulled horizontally across frictionless parallel rails, also of negligible resistance, by a massless string that passes over an ideal pulley and is attached to a suspended mass of 190 g. The uniform magnetic field has a magnitude of 600 mT, and the distance between the rails is 33 cm. The rails are connected at one end by a load resistor of 34 m\omega.What is the magnitude of the terminal velocity reached by the bar? Answer in units of m/s.

First I drew a free body diagram on the weight, and found that F_g= Mg= F_m= ILB
so I= Mg/LB
Then I used Ohm's Law.
I= E/R= 1/R * d\phi /dt
and flux= BA
so d\phi/dt = B (dA/dt)= BLV
then I= BLV/R , where V is the terminal velocity
so Mg/LB = BLV/R
Solving for V gives MgR/L^2 *B^2.
Then I plugged in my numbers
V= (.19)(9.8)(.034)/(.33^2)(.6^2)
and I got 1.61 m/s
The second part is: What is the acceleration when the velocity v= 1.1 m/s?
I set 1.1 =(.19)(.034)g/(.33^2)(.6^2) and got 6.68 m/s.. which isn't right.. can someone please help?
 
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Punchlinegirl said:
A bar of negligible resistance and mass of 17 kg is pulled horizontally across frictionless parallel rails, also of negligible resistance, by a massless string that passes over an ideal pulley and is attached to a suspended mass of 190 g. The uniform magnetic field has a magnitude of 600 mT, and the distance between the rails is 33 cm. The rails are connected at one end by a load resistor of 34 m\omega.What is the magnitude of the terminal velocity reached by the bar? Answer in units of m/s.

First I drew a free body diagram on the weight, and found that F_g= Mg= F_m= ILB
so I= Mg/LB

Then I used Ohm's Law.
I= E/R= 1/R * d\phi /dt
and flux= BA
so d\phi/dt = B (dA/dt)= BLV
then I= BLV/R , where V is the terminal velocity
so Mg/LB = BLV/R
Solving for V gives MgR/L^2 *B^2.
Then I plugged in my numbers
V= (.19)(9.8)(.034)/(.33^2)(.6^2)
and I got 1.61 m/s
The second part is: What is the acceleration when the velocity v= 1.1 m/s?
I set 1.1 =(.19)(.034)g/(.33^2)(.6^2) and got 6.68 m/s.. which isn't right.. can someone please help?
Where does the 17kg mass of the bar fit into this? The dropping weight provides the force that accelerates both itself and the bar.

AM
 
so would I just do
1.1= (.19+17)(.034)g/(.33^2)(.6^2) ?
Thats the only place that I think the mass can go.
 
Punchlinegirl said:
so would I just do
1.1= (.19+17)(.034)g/(.33^2)(.6^2) ?
Thats the only place that I think the mass can go.
You are using a condition for v that applies only where the acceleration is 0.

Go back to the beginning:

Mg - T = Ma and

T - F_m = m_{bar}a so:

Mg - F_m = (m_{bar} + M)a

so:

a = (Mg - F_m)/(m_{bar} + M)

so:

a = (Mg - B^2L^2v/R)/(m_{bar} + M)

Just plug in the numbers.

AM
 
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