How is the Total Energy of a Magnetic Field in Matter Calculated?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of the total energy of a magnetic field in matter, specifically addressing the differences in energy density expressions for magnetic fields compared to electric fields. Participants explore theoretical aspects and definitions related to magnetic field energy in the context of magnetization.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the total energy of the magnetic field in matter is represented as \(\frac{\mu H^2}{2}\) and questions why the energy of the magnetic field itself is expressed as \(\frac{H^2}{2}\) instead of \(\frac{B^2}{2}\).
  • Another participant clarifies that the equation mentioned refers to energy density rather than total energy and notes that \(\frac{\mu H^2}{2}\) can be rewritten as \(\frac{B^2}{2\mu}\) since \(B = \mu H\).
  • A third participant emphasizes the need to understand why the self-energy density of the magnetic field is taken as \(\frac{H^2}{2}\) rather than \(\frac{B^2}{2}\), contrasting it with the electric field's expression of \(\frac{E^2}{2}\).
  • Another participant points out that the choice of writing \(\frac{H^2}{2}\) instead of \(\frac{\mu H^2}{2}\) relates to the definitions of \(H\), \(B\), and \(\mu\), and mentions that the interaction of matter with magnetic fields differs from that with electric fields. They also note that different systems of units yield different expressions, such as \(\frac{B^2}{8\pi}\) in the cgs system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate expressions for magnetic field energy density, with no consensus reached on the reasons for the differences in treatment between magnetic and electric fields.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in definitions and assumptions regarding magnetic field energy calculations, particularly in relation to different unit systems.

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The total energy of the magnetic field in the matter is \frac{\mu H^2}{2}, I want to calculated the energy that is being spent as a the work on magnetizing the material, so I need to subtract the energy of the magnetic field itself \frac{B^2}{2} and the dipolar interaction -\vec{M} \cdot \vec{B}, however here is the problem $$ \frac{\mu H^2}{2} - \frac{B^2}{2} = \frac{\mu H^2}{2} - \frac{(\mu H)^2}{2} < 0 $$ for \mu &gt; &gt; 1.

Why the energy of magnetic field itself is given by \frac{ H^2}{2} and not by \frac{ B^2}{2}?
 
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That equation is for the energy density of the field, not the total energy.
And it doesn't matter if you write \frac{\mu H^2}{2} or \frac{B^2}{2\mu} because B = \mu H
 
That all was implied.

The question is why should we take the self energy density of the magnetic field as H^2/2 and not B^2/2, unlike the electric field where it is E^2/2 and not D^2/2.
 
Why do you keep writing \frac{H^2}{2} instead of \frac{\mu H^2}{2}?
Anyway, That's due to the way H, B and \mu are defined. And because matter often interacts with magnetic fields in a way that's opposite to how it interacts with electric fields.
If you use different definitions, the equations look different.
e.g. in the cgs system the equations are \frac{B^2}{8\pi} and \frac{E^2}{8\pi}
 

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