How long does it take strong acid to burn fabric?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of strong acids on different types of fabric, particularly lab coats made from polyester and cotton blends. Participants explore the potential for acid burns, the protective qualities of lab coats, and the implications of using materials like polyester in laboratory settings.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an incident where concentrated H2SO4 caused a stain on their lab coat and questions whether it is likely to have burned through the fabric by now.
  • Another participant suggests that if the lab coat is cotton, it may have developed a hole due to the acid.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of poly/cotton blends in protecting against aggressive chemicals, with one participant sharing personal experience of spills without resulting in holes.
  • There is a discussion about the melting properties of polyester compared to cotton, with one participant strongly advocating for 100% cotton lab coats due to safety concerns regarding melting in fire situations.
  • Another participant counters this by discussing the risks associated with cotton when exposed to certain strong acids, such as perchloric acid, which can create hazardous organic compounds.
  • One participant mentions the fire hazards associated with various chemicals and emphasizes the importance of removing contaminated clothing quickly.
  • There is a mention of using Nomex lab coats as a preferable alternative for safety reasons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the safety and effectiveness of polyester versus cotton lab coats, with no consensus reached on the best material for lab coats in the context of acid exposure and fire safety.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about the chemical properties of materials and the specific conditions under which lab coats may fail to provide adequate protection. The discussion reflects a range of experiences and perspectives on laboratory safety practices.

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I got some concentrated H2SO4 on my lab coat on monday and when I left the lab there was only a brown stain on the lab coat so I put it in my locker. The next day I noticed an acid burn on my t-shirt, obviously caused by some acid that seeped through the lab coat. I can't walk into the lab next monday with a bit acid burn on my lab coat so if its burned I'm going to have to get a new one. Is it likely that there will be a hole burned through the lab coat by now or are lab coats more acid resistant than the average t-shirt?
 
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I bet if it is cotton you have a nice hole.
 
cnidocyte said:
I can't walk into the lab next monday with a bit acid burn on my lab coat
Acid burns and toxic looking stains are the mark of a lab coat.
A clean lab coat suggests either a first year or a theoretician.

Alkali are much worse for cotton, H2O2 will dissolve quite a large hole in your jeans before you feel it.
 
These lab coats are 65% polyester, 35% cotton. Is polyester any more resistant to acids than cotton?

NobodySpecial said:
Alkali are much worse for cotton, H2O2 will dissolve quite a large hole in your jeans before you feel it.

I've felt the burns 5% H2O2 solutions cause from sterilising cuts with the stuff so I'm not surprised that that stuff can eat through fabric that rapidly. H2O2 fascinates me.
 
Bear in mind that your lab coat is not a shield, it's just a layer of protection. Poly/Cotton blends will protect you from most things in a classroom laboratory. When it comes to more aggressive chemicals, though, it's just a layer of protection that you can remove quickly if you need to.

Anyhow, I worked in the stockroom back when I was in school and I wore one of the student poly/cotton lab coats. After 2 years, I'd spilled just about every single acid and base solution on my lab coat, but nothing actually put holes in it.
 
cnidocyte said:
These lab coats are 65% polyester, 35% cotton. Is polyester any more resistant to acids than cotton?

You should get rid of that lab coat. All lab coats should be 100% cotton. Polyester will melt into your flesh if it ever catches on fire. You won't like the melted poly burning and then imbedding itself into your charred flesh. Think about how the doc's are going to remove it too! Ouch!

Cotton burns away cleanly without melting. Get rid of that poly lab coat and never buy one that's poly again.
 
chemisttree said:
You should get rid of that lab coat. All lab coats should be 100% cotton. Polyester will melt into your flesh if it ever catches on fire. You won't like the melted poly burning and then imbedding itself into your charred flesh. Think about how the doc's are going to remove it too! Ouch!

Cotton burns away cleanly without melting. Get rid of that poly lab coat and never buy one that's poly again.

I'm going to have to disagree with that. If you're working with 60-70% Perchloric acid, for example, a spill onto cotton (or anything organic) is going to form sensitive organic perchlorates. If you even approach a hot plate, it will ignite. This is also true if you're doing an aromatic nitration with a nitric/sulfuric mixture.

Personally, I like my Nomex labcoat :D

In a perfect world, your choice of lab coat is going to depend on what you expect to be doing in your lab. Again, though: it's not a shield. If it's seriously contaminated (or on fire), it's best to rip it off as fast as possible and jump into the safety shower for good measure.

It's a lot easier to rip off a lab coat than it is to get out of ordinary street clothes.
 
DDTea said:
I'm going to have to disagree with that. If you're working with 60-70% Perchloric acid, for example, a spill onto cotton (or anything organic) is going to form sensitive organic perchlorates. If you even approach a hot plate, it will ignite. This is also true if you're doing an aromatic nitration with a nitric/sulfuric mixture.

Personally, I like my Nomex labcoat :D

It's also true if you spill liquid rocket fuel on your coat. I've seen paper towels wet with rocket fuel and discarded into trash cans spontaneously ignite. Students rarely work with perchlorates. There is always a fire hazard. I guess if you have the money for the $80-$90 lab coat, go for it. Our Institute's Safety Office won't allow any polyester in our lab coats for fire safety reasons.
 

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