How Long to Heat 100mg of Material Near a Copper Conductor?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the time required to heat a 100mg piece of material to 200°C using a copper conductor that dissipates 0.25W of constant Joule heat. Participants explore the calculations involved, including the specific heat capacity of the material and the potential impact of the conductor's heat capacity.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the time to heat the material can be calculated using the formula Q = specific heat of the material * mass * (200°C - ambient temperature), leading to a time estimate of Q/0.25W.
  • Another participant suggests that if the system is isolated and the conductor's heat capacity is negligible, the initial calculation holds. However, they note that in a real setup, heat loss to the environment would extend the heating time.
  • A participant introduces the specific heat capacity of copper (0.385) and inquires about how to incorporate it into the calculations.
  • Another response advises adding the heat capacity of the conductor to that of the material, cautioning that if the heating process is rapid, the conductor may reach a higher temperature than the material, which could affect the accuracy of the estimate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of the conductor's heat capacity and environmental heat loss, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain on how to accurately model the heating process.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for additional data to refine their estimates and highlight the assumptions regarding isolation from the environment and the negligible heat capacity of the conductor.

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Hi.

Practical situation.

If I have 0.25W of constant Joule loss around a small piece of copper electric conductor, then I would like to find out how much time until a small piece of "Something" (let's say 100mg at 1 kJ/kg*K) around the conductor heats up to 200°C.

From my calculations, the necessary heat will be Q = Specific heat of the Something (?) * mass of "Something" * (200°C - ambient temp).

So the amount of time to heat this up is supposed to be Q/0.25W. Am I right?

Or is there any other delay or heat loss that won't go into heating the "Something" to 200C? :shy:
 
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If your system "conductor+something" is isolated from the environment and the heat capacity of the conductor is negligible, t=Q/0.25W. A real setup will heat the environment, too, and it will need longer to heat something.
 
Heat capacity for the conductor (copper) is 0.385. I would like to take it into account, but how?
 
Just add the heat capacity (specific heat capacity * mass) to the other one. If the heating process is very quick, your conductor will have a higher temperature than the "something", and your estimate will be a bit off - you would need more data to account for that.
 

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