How Much Additional Mass Can a Suspended Walkway Carry?

  • Thread starter Thread starter jrzygrl
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Load Physics
AI Thread Summary
The discussion focuses on calculating the maximum additional mass a suspended walkway can carry, given specific parameters such as the dimensions of the steel rods and the allowable stretch. The initial calculations provided were incorrect due to misapplication of Young's Modulus, as the strain used did not correspond to the force acting on the rods. To find the correct additional mass, the total force must include both the weight of the walkway and the additional mass, divided equally among the four rods. The maximum strain permissible must be used to determine the limiting mass that can be added without exceeding the design specifications. The conversation concludes with guidance on how to approach the problem correctly.
jrzygrl
Messages
16
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



The well-known civil engineering firm of Rivers, Rhodes, and Waters is designing a walkway that is to be suspended by means of four steel rods of diameter 2.0 cm and length 2.80 m. The stretch of the rods is not to exceed 0.46 cm under any circumstances. What is the maximum additional mass that the 1030 kg walkway can carry to meet the design specifications? Assume that the load is uniformly distributed over the walkway so that each rod carries an equal share of the load.

Homework Equations



Young's Modulus for steel (E) = 2 x 10^{11}
E = (F / A) / (\Deltal / l)
F = mg
A = \pir^{2}

The Attempt at a Solution



A = 4 \pir^{2}
A = 4 \pi (.01)^{2}
A = .00125m^{2}

F = mg
F = 1030(9.8)
F = 10094N

l = 2.8m, \Deltal = .0046m

E = (10094 / .00125) / (.0046 / 2.8) = 4.915 x 10^{11} N/m^{2}
(2 x 10^{11} - 4.915 x 10^{11}) = 1.951 x 10^{11}
1.951 x 10^{11} = (F / .00125) / (.0046 / 2.8)
F = 400620.285 - 10094 = 390526.285N
m = 39849.621kg

The answer above was wrong, any help will be appreciated!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
hey, jrzygrl. Welcome to PhysicsForums.

jrzygrl said:
E = (10094 / .00125) / (.0046 / 2.8) = 4.915 x 10^{11} N/m^{2}
(2 x 10^{11} - 4.915 x 10^{11}) = 1.951 x 10^{11}

I don't get why you subtracted the Young's modulus [computed] for a given force from a given value. Even, if you did, you should've got the answer as zero, since, under the assumptions we're working under, the Young's modulus is constant for a given material. But it is not so in your case. This is because, in the equation, the force you've used is the force acting due to the walkway, but the strain you've used is NOT the strain caused by that force. The strain caused by the force will be such that, when put in the equation will give you the exact Young's modulus as the given data. What you've taken is the maximum strain the steel rods can tolerate and hence when put in the equation for Young's modulus, it is meaningless. To do so, you need a corresponding set of values for the Force and the strain it causes.

To solve this problem, start by assuming the mass to be 'x'. Then, the force acting will be: F = 10094 + xg N

Now, each of the rod can tolerate:

<br /> F_i = \frac{10094 + x(9.8)}{4}<br />

For a given rod, you have the force acting, 'F_i'. The force can atmost reach a point where it can cause a strain of 0.046/2.8 . So, we need to find the mass 'x', which would produce such a strain. This is the limiting mass as any mass greater than this would cause a higher strain, which is not permissible.

Now, you have, F_i, A, \Delta l / l and the Young's modulus. I think you can take it from here :D
 
Last edited:
thanks a lot! i got it now
 
I multiplied the values first without the error limit. Got 19.38. rounded it off to 2 significant figures since the given data has 2 significant figures. So = 19. For error I used the above formula. It comes out about 1.48. Now my question is. Should I write the answer as 19±1.5 (rounding 1.48 to 2 significant figures) OR should I write it as 19±1. So in short, should the error have same number of significant figures as the mean value or should it have the same number of decimal places as...
Thread 'A cylinder connected to a hanging mass'
Let's declare that for the cylinder, mass = M = 10 kg Radius = R = 4 m For the wall and the floor, Friction coeff = ##\mu## = 0.5 For the hanging mass, mass = m = 11 kg First, we divide the force according to their respective plane (x and y thing, correct me if I'm wrong) and according to which, cylinder or the hanging mass, they're working on. Force on the hanging mass $$mg - T = ma$$ Force(Cylinder) on y $$N_f + f_w - Mg = 0$$ Force(Cylinder) on x $$T + f_f - N_w = Ma$$ There's also...
Back
Top