How to find magnetic field in a square coil next to an RC circuit

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a capacitor energy storage system connected to an RC circuit, with a focus on the magnetic field generated by a current in a conducting rod near a square coil. The problem includes calculations for resistance, energy stored, initial current, magnetic field, induced emf, and the direction of current in the coil.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the magnetic field and the current in the rod, questioning how to calculate the magnetic field at a distance from the rod when a coil is present. There are discussions about the validity of certain equations and assumptions regarding the uniformity of the magnetic field within the coil.

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Some participants have offered guidance on calculating the magnetic field and induced emf, suggesting a focus on current at specific times and the need to consider the distance from the rod. Multiple interpretations of the magnetic field's behavior at different distances are being explored, indicating an ongoing investigation into the problem.

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Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions regarding the magnetic field's uniformity within the coil and the relationship between electric and magnetic fields. There is also mention of the need for a drawing to clarify the setup.

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1. (35 pts) You have a coop job helping to test a capacitor energy storage system. There is a rather large capacitor with capacitance, C = 2.02F. It is charged to a potential V = 602.V with the polarity of the capacitor as shown. The large, solid line on the right of the R–C circuit represents a conducting rod which is quite long. To the right of this rod, more or less in its center, there is a small square coil with N = 128 turns, and side a = 10 cm which is a distance b = 0.21 cm away from the rod.

a.) (5 pts) If the time constant of the circuit is to be 60.6 s, what should be the resistance of the resistor R1?

b.) (5 pts) How much energy will be stored on the capacitor?

c.) (5 pts) At t = 0, the switch S is closed. What will be the initial current I0?

d.) (8 pts) At the distance b = .21 cm, what is the magnetic field B at t = 35s?

e.) (8 pts) At t = 35s, what is the induced emf in the coil?

f.) (5 pts) Is the current in the coil clockwise or counter-clockwise? Explain why
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Homework Equations


B=mu0/2a, Emf/R=I0, V/r(e^-t/RC),[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


a)we know that for an RC circuit, time constant is given by

tau = RC

R = tau/C

R = 60.6/2.02 = 30 Ohm

Hence, R = 30 Ohm

b)energy stored will be:

U = 1/2 C V^2

U = 1/2 x 2.02 x 602^2 = 366028.04 J

Hence, U = 366028.04 J = 3.66 x 10^5 J

c)The initial current would be:

I = V/R = 602/30 = 20.07 A

Hence, I = 20.07 A.

heres where it gets hard.

I know that the normal equation for finding magnetic field a distance away from a current source is B=u0I/2a, however, what am i to do when there is a coil at that distance? And then of course, once i figure this out, the induced emf is just the change in the flux which is BA and the direction can be found with the righthand rule. I just can't figure this one out.
 
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A drawing would help.
 
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davidhowie34 said:
I know that the normal equation for finding magnetic field a distance away from a current source is B=u0I/2a
I would re-examine that belief since it's wrong.
And then of course, once i figure this out, the induced emf is just the change in the flux which is BA and the direction can be found with the righthand rule. I just can't figure this one out.
Will B be the same at all distances d from the rod, b < d < a? If not, what value(s) of B did you have in mind?
 
rude man said:
I would re-examine that belief since it's wrong.Will B be the same at all distances d from the rod, b < d < a? If not, what value(s) of B did you have in mind?

okay that one is for loops.

B will be the same value throughout the entire coil I believe. I just don't understand how to get it. My friend told me to calculate the charge in the capacitor at t-35, and then find the elctric field at that point, and then convert the electric field to the magnetic field. I am not sure if this is correct. Is it?
 
davidhowie34 said:
okay that one is for loops.

B will be the same value throughout the entire coil I believe.
Why should it be? Aren't some parts of the loop closer to the rod than other parts? Doesn't that suggest that B is larger the closer you are to the rod?
My friend told me to calculate the charge in the capacitor at t=35, and then find the electric field at that point, and then convert the electric field to the magnetic field. I'm not sure if this is correct. Is it?
In a word, no. Calculate the current in the rod at t, then at t=35s, then compute B(t) at b, then flux Φ(t) in the loop, then dΦ/dt at t=35. Think integration to get B(t,r) with r the ⊥ distance from the rod to a point inside the loop.
 

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