How much energy can be generated from a 1000kg weight using a hydraulic system?

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The discussion revolves around the energy generation potential of a hydraulic system utilizing a 1000 kg weight that can be lowered to drive a hydraulic piston. Participants explore the calculations related to energy output and the principles of hydraulic and gravitational systems.

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  • One participant calculates the potential energy using the formula mgh, resulting in 9800 joules, which translates to approximately 0.027 kWh.
  • Another participant expresses disappointment with the calculated energy output, questioning the applicability of gravitational acceleration to hydraulic systems and noting the controllable speed of the piston.
  • There is a correction regarding a calculation error, with one participant acknowledging a typo in their earlier message but confirming the original energy calculation as correct.
  • Participants discuss the implications of energy requirements for common devices, such as light bulbs and cars, in relation to the energy generated from the hydraulic system.
  • One participant explains the relationship between force, mass, and gravitational acceleration, emphasizing the conservation of energy in the context of the hydraulic system.

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Participants generally agree on the calculation of potential energy but express differing views on the implications and efficiency of the hydraulic system. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader applicability of gravitational principles to hydraulic systems.

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Some assumptions about the efficiency of energy conversion in hydraulic systems and the effects of controlled speed on energy output are not fully explored. The discussion does not resolve the applicability of gravitational acceleration to hydraulic-electricity.

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I have 1000kg of weight (it can be a heavy brick) suspended on a platform which I can lower (say 1 meter) and drive a hydraulic piston. A hydraulic accumulator will store the hydraulic liquid. The accumulator can then drive on-demand a hydraulic pump into a rotary motion and drive a generator.

How much electricity can we generate with 1 stroke? 1 kW or ?

Thank you.
 
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A kW is power, not energy. kWh is energy. mgh is also energy. So 1000 kg * 1m * 9.8m/s/s = 9800 joules. A watt is 1 joule per second, so that's 9800/3600/1000=0.027 kWh.
 
Thank you very much for answering, but I am a bit disappointed, not much energy or power.

I Googled 9.8 m/s/s, and got "A free-falling object has an acceleration of 9.8 m/s/s, downward (on Earth)." which would apply to falling water and hydro-electricity but does that also apply to hydraulic-electricity?

1000 kg is pushing on a piston, which is "let go" so in a sense it is free-falling, but it's not moving very fast... and the speed is controllable via a pressure cap, which might control a force of liquid to drive a generator.

PS. If I divide 9800 by 3600 by 1000, I get = 0.0027 which is even a more miserable result :)
 
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johnjz said:
Thank you very much for answering, but I am a bit disappointed, not much energy or power.

PS. If I divide 9800 by 3600 by 1000, I get = 0.0027 which is even a more miserable result :)
Yep - it was a first-thing-in-the-morning typo. Your result is correct.

Really gives you an appreciation for how much energy/power is required to run a light bulb (or a car!), doesn't it!
I Googled 9.8 m/s/s, and got "A free-falling object has an acceleration of 9.8 m/s/s, downward (on Earth)." which would apply to falling water and hydro-electricity but does that also apply to hydraulic-electricity?
9.8m/s/s, aka, "g", is the acceleration of an object due to gravity at the surface of the earth. If you plug that value into f=ma (substitute g for a), you get the force required to hold an object still against gravity (f=mg), aka, the weight of the object. Since the work equation is w=fd, inserting the weight equation into it and using height as the distance gives w=mgh. This is the equation for gravitational potential energy. There are lots of different ways to convert it to other forms of energy, but the important thing is that energy is conserved, so w=fd tells you the total energy available for conversion.
 

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