How Much Energy Does a Dieter Use by Lifting Weights?

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The discussion revolves around the energy expenditure of a dieter lifting weights, specifically focusing on the work done against gravitational force and the implications of potential energy dissipation during the lifting and lowering of a weight. The scope includes theoretical calculations related to physics and the efficiency of energy conversion in human physiology.

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  • Some participants propose that the line about potential energy being dissipated means to ignore the work done by gravity when lowering the weight, focusing only on the positive work done while lifting.
  • Others argue that this interpretation suggests no negative work is done against gravity on the way down, as the energy is considered dissipated.
  • A later reply introduces alternative perspectives, suggesting that in practical scenarios, machines could recover energy when lowering weights, and that humans expend energy even when lowering weights due to inefficiencies.

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Participants generally agree on the interpretation that the question implies ignoring negative work done while lowering the weight. However, there is disagreement regarding the implications of this interpretation in real-world scenarios, particularly concerning energy expenditure and efficiency.

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Limitations include assumptions about energy dissipation, the efficiency of human energy use, and the simplification of the lifting and lowering process without considering real-world complexities.

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Question: A person trying to lose weight (dieter) lifts a 10 kg mass, one thousand times, to a
height of 0.5 m each time. Assume that the potential energy lost each time she
lowers the mass is dissipated. (a) How much work does she do against the gravitational
force ? (b) Fat supplies 3.8 × 107J of energy per kilogram which is converted to
mechanical energy with a 20% efficiency rate. How much fat will the dieter use up?

What is the significance of the following line in this question?
"Assume that the potential energy lost each time she lowers the mass is dissipated."

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Puneet Tanwar said:
What is the significance of the following line in this question?
"Assume that the potential energy lost each time she lowers the mass is dissipated."
It means to ignore the work done by gravity as the weight is lowered. Just count the positive work she does as she lifts the weight.
 
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Doc Al said:
It means to ignore the work done by gravity as the weight is lowered. Just count the positive work she does as she lifts the weight.

Is this the right way of looking at it: since the loss of PE is dissipated, she does not have to do any negative work against gravity on the way down?
 
Puneet Tanwar said:
Is this the right way of looking at it: since the loss of PE is dissipated, she does not have to do any negative work against gravity on the way down?
Yes, just ignore the negative work done when the weight is lowered.
 
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Puneet Tanwar said:
Is this the right way of looking at it: since the loss of PE is dissipated, she does not have to do any negative work against gravity on the way down?
I agree with @Doc Al that that's intended interpretation of the question, but a couple of other ways to look at it since you seem to be trying to connect this to reality:

1. If a machine like an elevator were doing this work, it might be equipped with a way to recover that energy by charging a battery as it lowers the weight.
2. Humans are very inefficient machines and use energy to generate a force, even when moving backwards. So in reality you actually are still expending energy even when lowering the weight.
 
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