How much force is required to jump?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the force required to jump and how it relates to jump height, body strength, and energy considerations. Participants explore the physics of jumping, including concepts from Newtonian mechanics and energy principles, while seeking to clarify the relationship between force and jump height.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to relate initial velocity to force when jumping and questions whether to use F=MA or kinetic energy concepts.
  • Another participant asserts that energy, rather than force, determines jump height, explaining that potential energy at height "h" is given by mgh, where m is mass and g is gravitational acceleration.
  • It is suggested that the distance over which force is applied during a jump affects the force required, with a squat jump allowing for less force compared to a standing jump.
  • A rough estimate is provided indicating that to jump one meter, a person would need to apply three times their weight, accounting for the energy needed to overcome gravity and support their body weight.
  • A participant mentions that gymnasts may reach peak accelerations of around 5 g's during jumps, though another participant doubts the average acceleration is that high.
  • A later reply reframes the question regarding energy, asking if the potential energy at peak height is equal to the energy required to jump that height, and whether this scales linearly with strength, assuming constant acting forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between force and jump height, with some emphasizing energy considerations while others focus on force dynamics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to quantify the force required to jump.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various factors that could influence the calculations, such as air resistance and the mechanics of human physiology, but do not resolve these complexities.

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Hi there,

I'm interested in the force required to jump. It's been a decade since physics, my old copy of Serway is 1,000 miles away, and I can't remember enough about solving the problem to put proper keywords into a Google search (yeah, it's pathetic).

I remember enough about Newtonian kinematics and projectile motion to solve or derive for initial velocity/time of flight/etc, but I can't remember how to relate initial velocity to force. Is there an instantaneous acceleration at the moment of lift-off while jumping? Can I use the F=MA equation, or do I need to look at kinetic energy?

Ultimately, I'd like to know how jump-height changes with body strength (if I were twice as strong, how much higher could I jump?). Would anyone be willing to walk me through the process of solving this, please?

Thanks in advance,
Plebe
 
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We keep getting this kind of question! There is no way to calculate the force required to jump a given height. It is energy that determines the height, not the force. Taking your original height as the "0" for potential energy, at height "h" you have gained potential energy mgh where m is you mass and g is acceleration due to gravity- about 9.81 m/s^2 at sea level.

But "energy= force times distance" and the distance there is the distance you rose while still in contact with earth. That is, if you squat down and the leap upward, the distance will be greater and so you can produce the same energy (and so jump to the same height) with less force during the jump than if you try to jump from a standing position.
 
You can make a rough estimate, though. Your body travels about half of a meter when you apply force for the jump. So if you want to jump a meter up, you'll need to apply 3x your own weight (1x just to support body, plus 2x because it is 2x the height).
 
I recall that a gymnast doing a standing back flip reaches a peak acceleration of around 5 g's during a jump.
 
A peak, maybe. But I doubt that the average is anywhere close. They'd jump a lot higher otherwise.
 
Thank you, all, for the replies. I did not realize that it was a frequently asked question, as my searches did not turn up answers that seemed in synch with my question.

The idea for approximating the force seems reasonable - thank you.

With regard to the statement that I need to be looking at energy instead of force, would it be possible to instead frame the question as follows? "Upon jumping as high as I possibly could, I achieved a height of one meter. Is the potential energy at my peak height equal to the energy required for me to jump one meter? Is this expressed as mgh? If I weigh 1 kilo, is it true that it requires 9.8 Joules to jump one meter?

Finally, if we pretend that the acting forces are constant (ignoring air resistance, stretchy tendons, etc), is it true that my highest jump will scale linearly with my strength?

Thanks for your consideration,
Pleb
 

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