How much work is done on the skier in the first 8.9 seconds of descent?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the net work done on a skier descending a slope over 8.9 seconds, considering a mass of 79.1 kg, a slope angle of 38 degrees, and a coefficient of kinetic friction of 0.09. Participants clarify the need to determine the normal force using the cosine of the angle and how to calculate friction as a force opposing the skier's motion. The net force acting on the skier is derived from the gravitational component down the incline minus the friction force. The final calculations for kinetic energy and work done are discussed, with participants confirming that joules is the correct unit for work. Overall, the thread emphasizes understanding the forces at play and applying the correct physics principles to solve the problem.
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ok guys, i got one that wants me to figure out how much work is done:
A skier of a mass 79.1 kg, starting from rest, slides down a slope at an angle of 38 degrees with the horizontal. The coefficient of kinetic friction, u, is 0.09. What is the net work (the net gain in kinetic energy) done on the skier in the first 8.9 s of decent?
now i don't want the answer, i just need help know what equations i need when.

I know it gives me m=79.1kg theta=38degrees coefficient of kinetic friction=.09 (not sure of unit) and t=8.9

how do i get how much work?

I have figured the mass in the verticle direction to be 48.69 (is this right?) by taking sin38=x/79.1 or 79.1sin38=x
 
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Figure out the acceleration. What's the net force on the skier? Use Newton's 2nd law.
 
ok since i got 48.69 to be the mass in the y direction, i take that times -9.8 as the acceleration due to gravity and get -477.16 as the force, i think i Newtons, but where does friction come in?
 
I can complete this problem without friction, or even with friction, but in one dimention, but what confuses me is that usually gravity and friction work together to slow down an object, now gravity is working to speed it up and friction is trying to slow it down, so I'm not sure what equation to use
 
The Merf said:
ok since i got 48.69 to be the mass in the y direction, i take that times -9.8 as the acceleration due to gravity and get -477.16 as the force, i think i Newtons, but where does friction come in?
Don't think in terms of mass in a particular direction--that doesn't make much sense. Think of the component of the weight (mg) parallel to the incline, which equals mgsinθ.

Friction is another force acting on the skier; it will equal μN, where N is the normal force. (How do you determine the normal force?)
 
The Merf said:
now gravity is working to speed it up and friction is trying to slow it down, so I'm not sure what equation to use
You need the net force down the incline. Since gravity and friction act in opposite directions, they will have opposite signs.
 
ok so N=mgcos(theta)
N=79.1x9.8xCos(38)
N=477.25 (i think it is a little different because of rounding earlier)


so friction=uN
friction=-0.09x477.25
friction=-42.95

so the net forces N+friction=477.25-42.95 or 434.30 so that is the net force

now K=mv^2
w=dK=(K-K_0)/2
so 1/2K (because he starts at rest so v_0=0 so K_0=0)
or (mv^2)/2
now m=79.1kg, v=axt or because a=F/m v=434.30/79.1x8.9 or 48.87m/s
so K=1/2(79.1)(48.87)^2
w=94,456.35j
(is this right and is joules the right unit?)
 
The Merf said:
ok so N=mgcos(theta)
N=79.1x9.8xCos(38)
N=477.25 (i think it is a little different because of rounding earlier)
Redo this calculation. (Cosine, not sine!)
 
oops... my bad, i did use sin i just accidentally wrote cos
so is it supposed to be cos?
 
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The Merf said:
oops... my bad, i did use sin i just accidentally wrote cos
You should have used cosine, as written.
 
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ok thanks
 
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ok so N=mgcos(theta)
N=79.1x9.8xCos(38)
N=610.85

so friction=uN
friction=-0.09x610.85
friction=-54.98

so the net forces N+friction=610.85-54.98 or 422.27 so that is the net force

now K=mv^2
w=dK=(K-K_0)/2
so 1/2K (because he starts at rest so v_0=0 so K_0=0)
or (mv^2)/2
now m=79.1kg, v=axt or because a=F/m v=422.27/79.1x8.9 or 47.51m/s
so K=1/2(79.1)(47.51)^2
w=89,272.26j
so joules is the right unit?
 
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The Merf said:
ok so N=mgcos(theta)
N=79.1x9.8xCos(38)
N=610.85

so friction=uN
friction=-0.09x610.85
friction=-54.98
OK.

so the net forces N+friction=610.85-54.98 or 422.27 so that is the net force
The net force is the component of gravity down the incline (not N) minus the friction force.
 
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