How much work was done to overcome friction?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done to overcome friction while pushing a 50-kilogram box up a 1.5-meter incline with a force of 200 Newtons. The total work is calculated as 200 Newtons multiplied by 1.5 meters, leading to a formula that incorporates both frictional and frictionless work. Participants express confusion about determining the force without friction and how to calculate efficiency without a calculator. The efficiency can be derived from the ratio of work done against gravity to the total work applied. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes understanding the concepts of work, friction, and efficiency in the context of simple machines.
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Homework Statement


NO CALCULATOR ALLOWED.

a 50-kilogram box is pushed up a 1.5m-meter incline with an effort of 200 Newtons. The top of the incline is 0.5 meter above the ground. How much work was done to overcome friction?

(A) 55J
(B) 75J
(C) 245J
(D) 300J
(E) 490J

The inclination in the question above is an example of a simple machine. On the basis of the information provided, what is the approximate efficiency of this machine? (A) 50%
(B) 100%
(C) 20%
(D) 10%
(E) 80%

Homework Equations



W = Fd

F_{fric} = \mu F_{n}

W = E

e = \frac{\Delta W}{W_{tot}}

The Attempt at a Solution



Alright so the total work has to be 200*1.5; thus, W_{TOT} = 200*1.5 = W_{fric} + W_{frictionless}

Or

W_{nc} = W_{TOT} - W_{frictionless}

and idk what to do from here ;\

the efficiency part:

e =
 
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Well how much work would it be if there was no friction? Or in other words, how much energy would it take to push the box up the ramp if the only force your doing work against is gravity?
 
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Force * distance. right?
 
Yes but F Is different if there is no friction. Think about gravity being a conservative force and work is independent of the path taken.
 
ok so the 200N is the force with friction. how am i suppose to find the force without friction? Isn't the force without friction greater than 200 if you think about it intuitively? If friction is not acting on the box, the only force acting on the box is the x-component of gravity; thus, F = F_{g}\sin ((((((((\arctan (\frac{0.5}{1.5}). But, \arctan (\frac{1}{3}) is not given, and we can't use a calculator.
 
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How much work does it take to lift a 1kg box 3m high? W=mgh=(1kg)(9.8m/s^2)(3m)
 
oh! so to get the work done by friction, one would subtract 200*1.5 from (10)(3). Thanks a ton!

To get the efficiency, one would just do (mgh)/(F*d)
 
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