How the voltage of very high magnitude is obtained in a tubelight?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanism of starting a tubelight, specifically addressing the high voltage required to initiate the arc for current flow. Participants explore the principles behind fluorescent lighting, including the role of filaments, mercury vapor, and starter circuits.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a very high voltage is generated to create an arc in a tubelight when the supply voltage is only 240V.
  • Another participant clarifies that a high voltage is not necessarily required for fluorescent tube lights, as the filaments heat up and create an electron cloud that facilitates current flow.
  • A participant mentions that without a starter circuit, a high voltage would be needed to strike the discharge in low-pressure gas, which is initially an open circuit.
  • There is a discussion about the use of inductive chokes and historical methods of current limiting, such as using a filament lamp in series.
  • One participant notes that larger fluorescent bulbs utilize thermionic emission, negating the need for high voltage, while cold cathode tubes require significantly higher voltages for operation.
  • Another participant emphasizes that modern designs do not use high voltage to start the discharge and suggests looking up fluorescent tube starter circuits for more information.
  • A participant shares a link to an article discussing starting schemes for fluorescent tubes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and generation of high voltage for starting tubelights. Some argue that high voltage is not required with modern designs, while others maintain that it is essential without a starter circuit. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of high voltage generation and its necessity.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various methods and components involved in the operation of tubelights, including the role of the starter circuit and the differences between types of fluorescent bulbs. There is an acknowledgment of historical practices versus modern techniques.

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i have a doubt regarding the starting of a tubelight that whenever we switch on the light then we require a very high voltage to create the arc for the continuous flow of current, then how do we get such a large amount of voltage to produce this arc
 
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I assume you are referring to a fluorescent tube light ?

if so, there is no need for extremely high voltage, there is no discgharge arc formed as in a long spark

very basically...
when, for example, mains voltage (120V/240VAC) is applied to the 2 filaments one at each end of the tube the filaments heat up and an electron cloud is formed. Since mercury vapor is a good conductor, these electrons make their way along the tube between the two filaments.
The electrons "colliding" with the mercury vapor atoms cause ultra violet light to be emitted. This UV light is absorbed by the phosphor coating on the inside of the tube and visible white light is emitted.

The Ballast in the circuit is used as a current limiter.

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Dave
 
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thank you so much
 
Faraz Murtaza said:
i have a doubt regarding the starting of a tubelight that whenever we switch on the light then we require a very high voltage to create the arc for the continuous flow of current, then how do we get such a large amount of voltage to produce this arc

Without some help from the 'starter circuit' you would need a high voltage for a metre of low pressure gas to 'strike'. It is virtually, an open circuit. Once the mercury has become ionised, that same column becomes a very low resistance path. As Davenn says, you need a way of limiting the current or a fuse will blow. An inductive choke is mostly used these days but, in the past, it was not uncommon to use a filament lamp in series, to limit the current.
 
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Without some help from the 'starter circuit' you would need a high voltage for a metre of low pressure gas to 'strike'. It is virtually, an open circuit. Once the mercury has become ionised, that same column becomes a very low resistance path. As Davenn says, you need a way of limiting the current or a fuse will blow. An inductive choke is mostly used these days but, in the past, it was not uncommon to use a filament lamp in series, to limit the current.


as you are saying that without the need of starter we will require a high voltage, so my question is how do we get this high voltage? as the supply is of 240V and as i found to create an arc for current flow we require about thousands of volt. So, how do we get such a large amount of voltage?
 
Those big fluorescent bulbs we use for overhead lighting use thermionic emission from filament to get electrons going (hot cathode), so no need for really high V.

Back in the day, we used cold cathode tubes (CCFL) to backlight our LCD panels. More efficient since we are not heating a filament, but required high voltages.

Even though the bulbs were only couple inches long they required 1500V of strike voltage and then 400Vrms of sustaining voltage at 30KHz (we used Royer inverter). Got a nasty jolt more than once working in the vicinity of that. Don't miss them.
 
Faraz Murtaza said:
as you are saying that without the need of starter we will require a high voltage, so my question is how do we get this high voltage? as the supply is of 240V and as i found to create an arc for current flow we require about thousands of volt. So, how do we get such a large amount of voltage?

You do need a starter and no one uses a high voltage to start the discharge these days.
If you want a design for a high voltage supply for another purpose then that is a different issue. You won't get one from a fluo tube supply.
Look up 'fluorescent tube starter circuit'.
 
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