How the wedge is connected with string

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of a wedge connected to a string, exploring how the string interacts with a block and pulleys in a physics problem. Participants examine the configuration and implications of the setup, including the movement of the wedge and the block.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the string is attached to a small weight or block, which is on the wedge, and passes around pulleys attached to a wall.
  • There is a proposal that a hook or similar attachment is used to connect the string to the wedge.
  • One participant notes that if the wedge moves a distance x horizontally, the block will cover a distance of 2x along the wedge, supporting a previous interpretation by another participant.
  • Some participants express confusion over terminology, particularly regarding the distinction between "small weight" and "block," leading to clarifications about the objects involved.
  • There are expressions of frustration regarding the clarity of questions and responses, with some participants feeling that the original question lacked precision.
  • One participant reflects on their initial question, acknowledging it as trivial but expressing a desire for clarity due to the newness of the wedge concept.
  • Another participant offers a personal reflection on the communication style and encourages continued questioning and engagement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity of the original question or the terminology used. There are multiple viewpoints regarding the attachment of the string and the interpretation of the problem, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention that the problem may be more suited for a college-level understanding, suggesting that the complexity of the discussion may be challenging for high school students.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for high school students studying physics, particularly those encountering pulley and wedge problems for the first time, as well as educators looking to understand common misconceptions in these topics.

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how the wedge is connected with highlighted string?
 
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What does the description that comes with the picture say?
I suspect the string is attached to the small weight at one end, it passes around two pulleys (attached to the wall) and then to the wedge.
 
Simon Bridge said:
small weight
Did you mean"block " which is on the wedge?
 
I think there must be some kind of hook .
 
Simon Bridge said:
What does the description that comes with the picture say?
It only says if the wedge covers x distance horizontally in right direction,block will cover 2x distance along the wedge.
 
gracy said:
It only says if the wedge covers x distance horizontally in right direction,block will cover 2x distance along the wedge.
That confirms Simon Bridge's interpretation. As the wedge moves x distance from the wall, x length of string is pulled through the pulleys at the wall.

At the pulley on top of the wedge, x length of string will have been pulled through by the wall and an additional x length of string will have been moved through by the wedge. A total 2x length of string will thus have moved through that top pulley.
 
jbriggs444 said:
That confirms Simon Bridge's interpretation
How?
 
gracy said:
I think there must be some kind of hook .
Just to clarify the actual layout:
Yes. A hook, nail or eye on the vertical side of the big block holds one end of the string and the string passes freely around both pulleys (the diagram could have been drawn better!) Simon's answer is obviously correct. What do you not understand about it?
 
sophiecentaur said:
What do you not understand about it?
Simon Bridge said:
small weight
Small weight?Is he talking about block?
 
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gracy said:
Small weight?Is he talking about block?
As there are only two objects, there is not confusion between which one is the big one and which is the small one, surely? I think you need to make a bit of an effort here.
 
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I did not directly ask.I gave my answer along with that.And also drew the image .I don't think I am showing lack of effort.It's only that I want to confirm everything.
 
  • #12
sophiecentaur said:
I think you need to make a bit of an effort here.
Now I am really hesitant to ask further.
 
  • #13
gracy said:
And also drew the image
You drew the image and ask us what it is supposed to represent?
 
  • #14
A.T. said:
You drew the image and ask us what it is supposed to represent?
Yes.I was watching a video,in that video there was a question on this image.That video is really hard to understand because of accent.Otherwise I would have posted link of that.
 
  • #15
gracy said:
.I gave my answer along with that

I can't find an answer. And I can't even find a proper question. You just seem to be unhappy with the PF responses. I thought you could make an effort to take on board what the answers are saying to you.
If you gave that link and left it to us to decide what to make of it?
 
  • #16
sophiecentaur said:
I can't find an answer
gracy said:
Small weight?
my question.
gracy said:
Is he talking about block?
My answer,or you can say my attempt.
sophiecentaur said:
If you gave that link and left it to us to decide what to make of it?


At time 22:42
 
  • #17
gracy said:
I think there must be some kind of hook .
Of course. Assuming nothing tricky is going on, the string attaches to the wedge at one end (with some hook or similar attachment method) and to the small block at the other end. (This is a standard physics problem configuration.)

Was that really your question? What did you think was going on?
 
  • #18
Thanks for answering and giving your precious time for my trivial question.
 
  • #19
gracy said:
Thanks for answering and giving your precious time for my trivial question.
That will be 2 cents, please. :smile:
 
  • #20
gracy said:
Thanks for answering and giving your precious time for my trivial question.
Don't throw your toys out of your pram because we didn't understand what you were getting at. If you ever have further questions for PF then you may need to maintain a bit of good will here.

AAmof, I found that video in the link you gave us, very boring but much more understandable than your question (what exactly was it?)
 
  • #21
sophiecentaur said:
Don't throw your toys out of your pram because we didn't understand what you were getting at.
I myself realized that it was a silly question because we physics students encounter such pulley block problems on daily basis where there is no such explanation how the block is actually attached to string,and I really didn't care but wedge was new concept for me so I became really pedantic about that and asked this question,later I realized so posted
gracy said:
I think there must be some kind of hook .
So,at last I genuinely thanked for answering my trivial question.
sophiecentaur said:
If you ever have further questions for PF then you may need to maintain a bit of good will here.
Ok.I will try to work on your advice.
sophiecentaur said:
I found that video in the link you gave us, very boring but much more understandable than your question (what exactly was it?)
Actually that video is on wedge constraint and pseudo force.
 
  • #22
Hey Gracy;
... how far along in high school are you and what country? I was wondering if English may not be your first language and was a little surprised at the others being so impatient.

I see you put "pedantic" in your profile - you'll probably learn to relax that part over time and trust your own intelligence.
Sometimes you will find you'll be expected to be able to figure out what people are telling you even if you have to stop and think about it for a little while.
With some reflection, I'm sure you realize you could have worked out which objects I meant when I referred to the wedge and the small weight... so perhaps you just wanted to be absolutely sure you understood me? You'll get used to it :)
 
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Simon Bridge said:
how far along in high school are you
Eleventh grade.
 
  • #24
USA 11th grade ... so you'd be considered NZ Y12 here.
The block and wedge problem would not normally be seen in NZ before college ... perhaps you are studying ahead?
The responses you got were probably better suited for a college student ;) it can seem a little unfriendly at first.
No worries. Hope it doesn't put you off.
 
  • #25
Simon Bridge said:
No worries. Hope it doesn't put you off.
No.Not at all.I am really comfortable here in company of such erudite teachers.
I believe in
"Surround yourself with only people who are going to lift you higher."-oprah winfrey
 
  • #26
I have to admit to being a bit brusque with my answers, too. Apologies. I think it was down to the wording you were using which made me think you were much older. Keep asking!
 

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