How to calculate gas flow rate through a system?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the gas flow rate through a natural gas pipeline, given specific parameters such as pressure, diameter, and fluid properties. The focus is on the theoretical and practical approaches to solving the problem, including the use of iterative methods and friction factors.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on how to approach the calculation of gas flow rate, expressing uncertainty about using pressure values and the Moody diagram.
  • Another participant suggests using an approximate method from an external resource, indicating that analytical methods may not be necessary.
  • A participant proposes an iterative approach, starting with an assumed friction factor and flow rate, calculating the Reynolds number, and adjusting the flow rate based on the pressure drop until a match is found.
  • Another participant agrees with the iterative method, emphasizing the need to compare the calculated pressure drop to the actual pressure drop and suggesting the use of the Colebrook equation for friction factor determination.
  • A further contribution clarifies the units of dynamic viscosity and recommends focusing on a simplified equation involving the friction factor and velocity, advocating for multiple iterations to converge on the correct velocity and mass flow rate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that an iterative approach is necessary for solving the problem, but there are differing opinions on the specific methods and equations to use, such as whether to employ the Colebrook equation or rely solely on the Moody diagram.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of assumptions made during calculations, such as the initial choice of velocity and the neglect of losses other than friction, which may affect the accuracy of the results.

Gurj
Messages
6
Reaction score
0
The pressure at the start of a 180km stainless steel natural gas pipeline is 4MPa and at the end is 2MPa. if the diameter is 0.4m, what will be the gas flow rate through the system?
(ignore losses other than friction, ρ= 40 kg/m^3, μ= 11x10^-6 Pa)

Could anybody please point me in the right direction on how I actually do this question?
I have done questions where we were asked the mass flow rate before but we were not given values for pressure etc in them. I know that i have to use the moody diagram but do not know what to do with the pressure values given.
Also came across this formula in my notes: μ = [(∏*d^4)/(128*Q*l)]*(P1-P2) but surely it could not be that easy?


Thanks for any help in advance!
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
You might have to do it by iterations.
Start -assume a friction factor - Pick a random flow rate ( or velocity ) - find Reynolds number - calculate pressure drop - does it match - yes you are done - if not increase or decrease flow rate depending upon calculated pressure drop and go back to start.

How close should the match be - I guess you decide but 1% to 5% should be OK and how many iterations you would like to do, Afterall you are ignoring losses other than friction, so maybe a resulting flow on the low side would be more reasonable.
 
Last edited:
I think "bits" is correct. This problem requires an iterative solution. Basically the pipe pressure drop equals the head loss (h-L). To calculate h-L assume a velocity, calculate Re, look up (or calculate) a friction factor. Compare h_l to ΔP. If ΔP≠h-L, assume new velocity. If you don't like looking up the friction factor from the moody diagram you can use the Colebrook equation (assumes you are in the nonlaminar range) which as empirical fit for the Moody diagram.
 
The units of dynamic viscosity are Pa*s

Forget the Colebrook equation. Plug in all your constants and you get a simple equation in the form const=f*v^2 where f is the friction factor and v is velocity.Get your moody diagram out. Look up the absolute roughness ε for stainless steel pipe and calculate ε/D. Assume a reasonable velocity for natural gas in a pipe. Calculate Re, look up f from Moody diagram. See if f*v^2 = the constant. If it doesn't, assume another value for v, calculate Re, look up new f. You get the idea. After 3-4 iterations you will approach the correct value of velocity and can calculate the mass flow rate.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
6K
Replies
13
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
4K
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
18K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
6K