B How to Calculate Hand Force to Close a Hatch Door Against a Gas Spring?

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The discussion centers on calculating the hand force needed to close a hatch door supported by gas springs. The initial formula used is F*E = S*J, leading to a calculated force of 735.8 N for the extended springs and 999.6 N for the compressed state. Participants highlight the complexity of the gas springs' variable force and the need to consider torque balance and force components perpendicular to the door. There are suggestions to utilize LaTeX for clearer mathematical communication, and the importance of accurately defining the spring force as a function of displacement is emphasized. The conversation concludes with a focus on refining the calculations to achieve realistic hand force values.
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Geordielad said:
As I understand it the terms are interchangeable.
Maybe the words are used interchangeably, but the design of the one I had in mind is very much unlike the other in how they respond to displacement. The "strut" is the one that fits the application as a door opening assist.
 
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Erobz, I have figured out how to write the ##f (x) ##you mention in post 29 using the law of cosines and since I know all 3 sides. ##f(x)=\cos\left(\frac {x^2+a^2-b^2}{2xa}\right)## This gives me the angle designated ##sin beta## in post 29. for all the intermediate positions of the cylinder.
Instead of finding \cos\theta as a ##f(x)## could I use ##\cos angle BOA## as a ##f(x)##?
I am still working on ##F_s## as a ##f(x)##.
 
  • #53
Geordielad said:
Erobz, I have figured out how to write the ##f (x) ##you mention in post 29 using the law of cosines and since I know all 3 sides. ##f(x)=\cos\left(\frac {x^2+a^2-b^2}{2xa}\right)## This gives me the angle designated ##sin beta## in post 29. for all the intermediate positions of the cylinder.
Instead of finding \cos\theta as a ##f(x)## could I use ##\cos angle BOA## as a ##f(x)##?
You should be looking for ##\cos \beta## as a function of ##x##:

$$ b^2 = c^2 + x^2 - 2cx \cos \beta $$

$$ f(x) = \cos \beta = ? $$We are trying to get rid of ##\sin \beta## in the numerator of the eq found in post #31, by replacing it with an expression of the variable ##x##.
Geordielad said:
I am still working on ##F_s## as a ##f(x)##.
We are going to assume that it is a gas strut (in the application it makes the most sense), and that the force ##F_s ## is approximately constant in magnitude over the stroke. If you want to examine how it changes, and how that effects the force we can do that after as a refined model. The challenging part is getting the geometry worked out.
 
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