How to calculate magnetic flux from voltage?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of magnetic flux from voltage, specifically through the lens of Faraday's law of induction. Participants explore the relationship between voltage, magnetic flux, and the time variable in the context of coils and magnetic fields.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that magnetic flux density is measured in Teslas or Weber’s per square meter and introduces Faraday's law of induction, questioning the role of the time function in the formula.
  • Another participant argues that if the current in an ideal coil is steady, there is a constant magnetic field and no voltage, suggesting that voltage is proportional to the rate of change of current.
  • A later reply confirms that without a rate of change in current, there is no voltage induced.
  • Another participant explains that the time term in the formula represents the relationship between the movement of a magnetic field and the induced voltage, emphasizing that voltage is generated when there is relative motion between a coil and a magnetic field.
  • This participant also notes that the strength of the magnetic field generated by a coil depends on the current, the number of turns in the coil, and the core material used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between current, voltage, and magnetic fields, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the time variable in the context of magnetic flux and voltage.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of terms such as "constant voltage" and "steady current," as well as the unresolved nature of the relationship between induced voltage and the rate of change of magnetic flux.

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I understand that magnetic flux density is measured in Teslas or Weber’s per square meter and that voltage or emf is measured using faraday’s law of induction which is
E= - N dφ/dt
Where
N= number parallel fields
Φ = magnetic flux (Wb)
E= emf (V)
What I don’t understand is the time function of the formula. If we rearranged the formula to make flux the subject what would the time function represent? Correct me if I’m wrong but If there is constant voltage and current through a coil then there is a constant magnetic field inside the coil (or through the core if there is one).

In this situation, what does the time variable represent?
 
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Nads said:
If there is constant voltage and current through a coil then there is a constant magnetic field inside the coil

You are confused because of the contradiction in your sentence. If the current in an ideal coil is steady, there is a constant field, and there is no voltage. The voltage across a coil is proportional to the rate of change of current. That is where time comes in.
 
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Thank you for clarifying that.
So if there is no rate of change in current there is no voltage.
 
Nads said:
I understand that magnetic flux density is measured in Teslas or Weber’s per square meter and that voltage or emf is measured using faraday’s law of induction which is
E= - N dφ/dt
Where
N= number parallel fields
Φ = magnetic flux (Wb)
E= emf (V)
What I don’t understand is the time function of the formula. If we rearranged the formula to make flux the subject what would the time function represent? Correct me if I’m wrong but If there is constant voltage and current through a coil then there is a constant magnetic field inside the coil (or through the core if there is one).

In this situation, what does the time variable represent?

Hi @Nads
The formula you gave works to find the voltage generated in a coil when their is a magnetic field affecting the coil. If you have a permanent magnet and a coil of wire on a table next to each other and not moving, then there is no voltage induced in the coil. Now if you move one of them there is a voltage induced in the coil - the faster you move them in relation to each other the higher the voltage. That is the time term, dt, in the formula. Also, the more the magnetic field changes, dφ, the higher the voltage.

There is a simulation of this at: https://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/electromag/java/faraday2/

For the second part of your understanding, when a wire, or a coil, has current flowing thru it there is a magnetic field generated. Which end is North or South depends on which direction the current is flowing. If there is AC flowing, the field varies with the AC. In either case, AC or DC, the strength of the field is determined by the amount of current, the number of coil turns, and if there is a core, what material is used for a core.

Cheers,
Tom
 
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Tom.G said:
Hi @Nads
The formula you gave works to find the voltage generated in a coil when their is a magnetic field affecting the coil. If you have a permanent magnet and a coil of wire on a table next to each other and not moving, then there is no voltage induced in the coil. Now if you move one of them there is a voltage induced in the coil - the faster you move them in relation to each other the higher the voltage. That is the time term, dt, in the formula. Also, the more the magnetic field changes, dφ, the higher the voltage.

There is a simulation of this at: https://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/electromag/java/faraday2/

For the second part of your understanding, when a wire, or a coil, has current flowing thru it there is a magnetic field generated. Which end is North or South depends on which direction the current is flowing. If there is AC flowing, the field varies with the AC. In either case, AC or DC, the strength of the field is determined by the amount of current, the number of coil turns, and if there is a core, what material is used for a core.

Cheers,
Tom

Thank you, I found the simulation helpful.
 
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