How to calculate pressure inside an internal combustion cannon

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This discussion focuses on calculating the pressure inside an internal combustion cannon, specifically a spud gun or lemon cannon, prior to projectile movement. The method involves applying gas laws to estimate pressure based on the known chamber volume and the temperature increase from burning a gas mixture. Participants suggest measuring the muzzle velocity with a high-speed camera and using recoil acceleration to determine the force, which can then be divided by the cross-sectional area to find the pressure. The use of a well-lubricated projectile is recommended to minimize friction in the barrel.

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  • Understanding of gas laws, particularly the ideal gas law.
  • Familiarity with basic physics concepts such as force, pressure, and acceleration.
  • Experience with high-speed camera technology for measuring muzzle velocity.
  • Knowledge of projectile dynamics and friction reduction techniques.
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  • Research the ideal gas law and its application in closed systems.
  • Learn how to measure recoil acceleration accurately using high-speed cameras.
  • Explore methods for calculating pressure from force and area, including relevant formulas.
  • Investigate techniques for reducing friction in projectile motion, such as lubrication methods.
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This discussion is beneficial for physics students, hobbyists building spud guns, and anyone interested in understanding the dynamics of internal combustion systems and pressure calculations.

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Hi. I am needing help on this...

For a Year 12 physics assignment (australia), I am testing a Spud gun/lemon cannon. I need to work out the pressure inside the chamber just before the projectile begins to move, without using a pressure gauge. Tomorrow i'll be measuring the muzzle velocity using a high speed camera, but i have absolutely no idea on the pressure calculations. My physics teacher won't tell me either, not sure wether its because he doesn't know or not, but he keeps telling me to look online and i can't find anything comprehensive.

Please help, it would be much appreciated

Also, i apologize for posting this in the wrong forum... only just realized
 
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Perhaps you could explain what your particular setup looks like and how it operates.

Fundamentally, when you burn some gas mixture in a closed chamber, it produces more gas and some heat. The heat increases the temperature of the gas, and with the chamber volume known, you should be able to estimate the pressure using the gas laws.
 
Use a well lubricated projectile to minimize the friction in the barrel. Assuming negligible friction the only horizontal force on the gun is the pressure on the back wall of the barrel. If you have a high speed cam you could hang the gun on strings, and measure the initial recoil acceleration. From the acceleration and the mass of the gun (without projectile) you get that force. Or use a fast force sensor if possible.

Divide the force by the cross sectional area to get to pressure.
 
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