How do I calculate the movement of air in a valveless pulse jet engine?

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The discussion centers on the calculations and modeling of air movement in a valveless pulse jet engine, focusing on the physics involved in the combustion process and the subsequent flow dynamics. Participants explore the mathematical and theoretical aspects necessary for simulating this system, including the effects of pressure and pipe dimensions.

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  • One participant seeks equations to calculate the movement of air from the combustion chamber through the exhaust and intake pipes, emphasizing the need for calculus and the impact of pipe size on pressure.
  • Another participant suggests that simulating the entire airflow is complex and recommends starting with the Navier-Stokes Equations for fluid dynamics.
  • A participant mentions a simpler approach, focusing on the heat cycle and energy from combustion of propane, while acknowledging the assumptions made about pressure and volume.
  • A query is raised regarding the conversion of pressure difference to acceleration in air, indicating a need for specific relationships in the context of the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the complexity of the simulation, with some advocating for a simpler approach while others emphasize the necessity of advanced equations like the Navier-Stokes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to model the air movement.

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Participants acknowledge assumptions such as instantaneous combustion and constant volume, which may not reflect real-world scenarios. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific definitions and relationships in fluid dynamics.

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I'm trying to create a piece of software that can approximate the physics of a valveless pulse jet engine. What I need right now is to figure out the math behind the moving air. How would I calculate how the air from the combustion chamber after combustion (assumed for simplicity to be instantaneous) would move down the exhaust and intake pipes relative to the size of the pipes and the pressure of the air in the chamber? (Yes, I realize this needs calculus) As the gas leaves the combustion chamber, It forms a vacuum in its wake that eventually stops the flow of air and starts pulling it back. I need the equations for this. I also could use some explanation of how the size of an opening effects the amount of pressure placed on it when in this type of scenario (how much of the pressure is exerted on the openings to the exhaust and inlet tubes?
 
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Are you just trying to approximate some particular quantity or are you trying to simulate the entire flow? Because simulating the entire flow is an extremely complex problem that will need a lot more than calculus. Ever hear of the Navier Stokes Equations? That is where you need to start if you are going to simulate a fluid.
 
for right now I was going to be content with just a simple simulation that incorporated the heat cycle only. I was calculating the amount of energy given by combustion of a given amount of propane (based on the amount of fresh air in the chamber, somewhere between 2.15 and 9.6 [the flamability limits of propane] percent of the air) and then calculating how much that would heat the air. From that calculating the increase in pressure (since I'm assuming all of this is instant, I can also assume that the volume is constant. I know that will result in a much more powerful result than is actually possible, but it's a start).

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Ever hear of the Navier Stokes Equations? That is where you need to start if you are going to simulate a fluid.
Thanks for the info, I'll look into it.
 
does anyone know a conversion for pressure difference to acceleration in air?
 

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