How to Calculate Temperature Change in Ideal Gas Law Problem for One Mole?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the change in temperature for one mole of an ideal gas when the volume is doubled, using a specific relation involving pressure and volume. The context is rooted in the ideal gas law.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the implications of the given equation and how it relates to the ideal gas law. There are attempts to evaluate temperature changes based on varying volumes and pressures. Questions arise regarding the initial conditions and the constants provided in the problem statement.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, attempting to clarify the relationships between initial and final states of the gas. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of constants, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solution.

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There is some confusion regarding the definitions of initial pressure and volume, as well as the constants P0 and V0. Participants are questioning whether the initial volume must be set to V0 to arrive at the expected result.

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Homework Statement


for one mole of an ideal gas this relation holds good
P= P0 /{1+(V0/V)^2}, where P0and V0 are constants,
what will be its change in temperature in terms of P0,V0 and R,
if volume is doubled?


Homework Equations


for one mole of ideal gas we know PV=RT

Then RT/V= P0 /{1+(V0/V)^2}

How to proceed then? Can anyone help, please.


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Evaluate the temperature of the gas when it occupies a volume V and 2V using the ideal gas law.
 
CAF123 said:
Evaluate the temperature of the gas when it occupies a volume V and 2V using the ideal gas law.

The Answer given in the text is(11/10) P0V0/R. How shall I reach?
 
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According to the equation, if the initial volume is Vi, what is the initial pressure Pi? What is the initial temperature (using the ideal gas law? In terms of Vi, what is the final volume, Vf? What is the final pressure?

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
According to the equation, if the initial volume is Vi, what is the initial pressure Pi? What is the initial temperature (using the ideal gas law? In terms of Vi, what is the final volume, Vf? What is the final pressure?

Chet

If we take initial pressure P0
and initial volume as V0
Initial temp = T1
Final Pressure = P0 (remaining constant)
final doubled volume =2V0
and final temp = T2

then by ideal gas law for one mole of gas
T2-T1=2P0V0/R -P0V0/R=P0V0/R

Is this a correct solution? Then what is the utility of the given equation?
 
dk_ch said:
If we take initial pressure P0
and initial volume as V0
Initial temp = T1
Final Pressure = P0 (remaining constant)
final doubled volume =2V0
and final temp = T2

then by ideal gas law for one mole of gas
T2-T1=2P0V0/R -P0V0/R=P0V0/R

Is this a correct solution?
No. If V0 is the initial volume, then, from the equation they gave, P0 is not the initial pressure. As they said in the problem statement, P0 and V0 are just constants for the problem (and are not related to the initial conditions).

Chet
 
for initial vol V0 the initial pressure is P0/2
for final vol 2V0 the final pressure is (4/5)P0
Then temperature change becomes =(11/10)P0V0/R

I think it is correct
 
dk_ch said:
for initial vol V0 the initial pressure is P0/2
for final vol 2V0 the final pressure is (4/5)P0
Then temperature change becomes =(11/10)P0V0/R

I think it is correct
Yes, if the initial volume is V0.

Chet
 
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Is it possible to arrive at the same result without having taken the initial volume as V0?
If possible please suggest a way out.
 
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It might be. The problem statement sort of implies this. Have you tried, and, if so, how far have you gotten?

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
It might be. The problem statement sort of implies this. Have you tried, and, if so, how far have you gotten?

Chet

I tried but failed to eliminate v1 initial volume to have the required relation. Please give hints if possible.
 
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I'll give it a shot.

Chet
 
  • #13
The only initial volume that matches the answer in the text is it is equal to Vo.

Chet
 
  • #14
So u have reached the same conclusion as I have , Thanks.
 

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