How to derive the kinetic formula

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The discussion revolves around deriving the kinetic energy formula, specifically seeking alternative methods using the equations of motion. Participants are exploring different approaches to connect work done to kinetic energy in the context of grade 11 physics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various equations of motion and their relevance to deriving the kinetic energy formula. Some suggest using work-energy principles, while others question the assumptions behind the derivations. There is mention of both algebraic and calculus-based approaches.

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Several participants have provided insights and methods, with some expressing uncertainty about the steps involved. There is a mix of algebraic manipulation and calculus suggestions, indicating an active exploration of the topic without a definitive consensus on a single approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the derivations assume uniform acceleration and that some methods may require calculus, which may not be within the scope of the current homework constraints.

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Homework Statement


There are other ways to derive the kinetic motion equation. show an alternative way using the equations of motion


Homework Equations



Ek= 1/2mv^2


The Attempt at a Solution



W= FD
W= MAD
= m( v2-v1/t)(V1+V2/2) T
= M/2 ( V2^2-V1^2)
= EK= MV^2/2

they need another one with the formulas of motion but i can't solve it. Thanks for the help
 
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physphys said:

Homework Statement


There are other ways to derive the kinetic motion equation. show an alternative way using the equations of motion


Homework Equations



Ek= 1/2mv^2


The Attempt at a Solution



W= FD
W= MAD
= m( v2-v1/t)(V1+V2/2) T
= M/2 ( V2^2-V1^2)
= EK= MV^2/2

they need another one with the formulas of motion but i can't solve it. Thanks for the help

What formulae of motion have you been taught? List them out (there are three (sometimes four) "standard" ones), and you can see which is the relevant one to use.

Note that those all assume uniform acceleration (as did your solution). The derivation of the equation for kinetic energy can be made without this assumption, but it involves basic calculus. I don't think your question is asking you for this method, so we'll stick with the more basic one.
 
yes it's grade 11 physics. These are the ones they are talking about
v2= v1+ at
d= (v1+v2/2)t
d= v1t+ 1/2a(t)^2
d= v2t+1/2a(t)^2
v2^2=v1^2+2ad
 
Maybe something along this, since it is a no-calc approach;

W=F*s
W=m*a*s with angle of attack =0, as with kinetic energy
we have from equation of motion that s=1/2*a*t^2
and also v=a*t
t=v/a
inserting in motion equation;
s=1/2*a*(v/a)^2
inserting this in work formula;
W=m*a*1/2*a*v^2/a^2
W=m*1/2*a^2*v^2/a^2
W=1/2*m*v^2

Just my initial guess, never seen it done :)
 
but isn't w= fd? where did fs come from?
 
physphys said:
but isn't w= fd? where did fs come from?
I'm sorry, here in denmark we use F for force, and s for distance. I take it you use f for force and d for distance of course .. in my previous calculations, s=d :)
 
physphys said:
yes it's grade 11 physics. These are the ones they are talking about
v2= v1+ at
d= (v1+v2/2)t
d= v1t+ 1/2a(t)^2
d= v2t+1/2a(t)^2
v2^2=v1^2+2ad

The last equation is what you want. Set v1 (initial velocity) = 0 (since the particle starts from rest, when KE is zero). Set v2 to be equal to V, the final velocity. Manipulate a little till you have a*d on the right hand side in terms of V^2 on the left hand side.

From W (work which is the same as energy) = Fd and F = ma, you can immediately see W = m*a*d.

Now put that expression for a*d from the previous equation into this one and you'll see that W equals the expression you want. Simply conclude by stating that the work done on the object to bring it from rest to speed V is equal to the KE gained, so KE = (1/2)mV^2.
 
Thanks guys it worked out!
 
physphys said:
Thanks guys it worked out!

Of course, if you can use calculus, this is the best way to do it:

dW = Fdx = ma.dx = m\frac{dv}{dt}.dx = m\frac{dx}{dt}.dv = mv.dv

The second last step involved a change of variable of integration.

Now integrate:

\int_0^{E_k} dW = \int_0^V mvdv \Rightarrow E_k = \frac{1}{2}mV^2.

And it's actually a shorter proof despite it being a more general result (acceleration does not have to be constant here).
 

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