How to Design a Gas Sampling Probe for Varying Exhaust Gas in a Brick Catalyst?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a gas sampling probe intended for measuring exhaust gas behind a catalyst, specifically addressing the challenges posed by varying gas composition across the catalyst's surface area. Participants explore various design considerations, including the size and distribution of holes in the probe.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using a tube with holes along its length to achieve a representative gas sample, expressing uncertainty about the appropriate size for these holes and suggesting they may need to increase in size further along the tube.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative design of a disk-shaped probe with evenly spaced holes, likening it to a shower head, to match the catalyst's surface area.
  • There is a suggestion to consider the feasibility of using a single-hole probe that could be moved across the exhaust pipe to take readings at different points, potentially providing a more comprehensive sampling method.
  • One participant expresses a lack of understanding of the topic and questions whether there is a specific equation to determine hole sizes, while another acknowledges the uniqueness of the situation and suggests that an inventive solution may be necessary.
  • A participant offers to connect the original poster with knowledgeable contacts in the gas analysis field, indicating that they work for a company that sells gas analysis equipment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the optimal design for the gas sampling probe. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the configuration and size of the holes, as well as alternative sampling methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the calculations needed for hole sizing and the overall design of the probe. There are indications that the problem may require a tailored solution rather than a straightforward application of existing equations.

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I want to sample exhaust gas just behind a Catalyst. The problem being the gas varies across the area of the brick so a normal sample probe could read high or low.

The general idea is to use a tube with holes in across the area of the brick, however I'm not sure what size to make the holes as too large and most of the flow will come from the nearest edge of the brick. Presumably the holes will need to get larger the further you go along the tube. But what size to make the holes I'm not sure how to calculate.

I know the length of the sample probe area ~150mm and the flow of the sampling machine. ~0.2g/s Also I know the inside diameter of the probe ~6mm
 
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I'm sure that I don't understand this subject enough to help, but it seems to me that the best solution would be to have a disk instead of a tube, which matches the surface area of the catalyst and has evenly spaced equal size holes like a shower head. Would that work for you?
 
James125 said:
I want to sample exhaust gas just behind a Catalyst. The problem being the gas varies across the area of the brick so a normal sample probe could read high or low.

The general idea is to use a tube with holes in across the area of the brick, however I'm not sure what size to make the holes as too large and most of the flow will come from the nearest edge of the brick. Presumably the holes will need to get larger the further you go along the tube. But what size to make the holes I'm not sure how to calculate.

I know the length of the sample probe area ~150mm and the flow of the sampling machine. ~0.2g/s Also I know the inside diameter of the probe ~6mm

I don't know enough science/physics/math to answer, and would be shocked that there is a specific equation that some how eludes you.


How expensive are "probes"? Can you make your own holes, can you use multiple probes with only one hole and pull statistical data instead? Your situation sounds unique enough that you need to invent the solution. Yay perspiration! :smile:
 
This is one of the topics that I can hardly understand >.<
 
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jackkingsford said:
This is one of the topics that I can hardly understand >.<

Ah I see, well hope you get to "play" your way to a solution, back to my point about it maybe being to unique to merely calculate an answer.

lol opps it's not even your thread/
 
How about using a probe with one hole and traversing across the exhaust pipe taking a reading at each point.
 
email me at droog57@gmail.com
The company I work for occasionally sells Gas Analysis equipment, and no, I'm not planning or trying to sell you anything, our Gas Analysis stuff is mostly for nuclear and chemical plants and costs a LOT, but I CAN put you in touch with some knowledgeable people that could probably help. I would give contacts here, but that would not be fair to them.
Cheers.
 
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