How to differentiate an equation

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of equations in physics, specifically focusing on the equation for concentration, C = m/V (mass/volume). Participants explore how to differentiate this equation with respect to time and the implications of variables being constant or dependent on time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about differentiating the concentration equation in physics, comparing it to a simpler mathematical differentiation example.
  • Another participant suggests that if mass (m) or volume (V) depend on time, this must be taken into account for differentiation, providing an example where mass is a function of time.
  • A later reply presents a method for differentiation using the chain rule, indicating how to express the differential of concentration in terms of the differentials of mass and volume.
  • Another participant introduces the quotient rule for differentiation, providing a formula for the time derivative of concentration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the approach to differentiation, as there are multiple methods and interpretations presented regarding the dependencies of mass and volume on time.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the relationships between variables (e.g., whether mass and volume are constants or functions of time) remain unresolved, affecting the differentiation process.

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Homework Statement


Hi Everyone,

This seems like a very simple question but I' a bit confused.

In maths if I wanted to differentiate y = x^2 then it would just be 2x but I'm not sure about what you would do in physics. If you had the equation C = m/V (Concentration = mass/volume) how can you differenicate that with respect to time or something?

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Surely what ever type of differentiation you did (normal, partial etc.) all the parts would just end up being 0 so the differential is zero.

Can someone please set me straight.

Thanks,
 
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GBA13 said:
In maths if I wanted to differentiate y = x^2 then it would just be 2x
If you calculate the derivative with respect to x.
GBA13 said:
If you had the equation C = m/V (Concentration = mass/volume) how can you differenicate that with respect to time or something?
Do m or V depend on time?
If yes (how?), you have to take this into account. Simple example: m=c*t with some constant t leads to a non-zero time derivative.
If no, they are just constants.
 
GBA13 said:

Homework Statement


Hi Everyone,

This seems like a very simple question but I' a bit confused.

In maths if I wanted to differentiate y = x^2 then it would just be 2x but I'm not sure about what you would do in physics. If you had the equation C = m/V (Concentration = mass/volume) how can you differenicate that with respect to time or something?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Surely what ever type of differentiation you did (normal, partial etc.) all the parts would just end up being 0 so the differential is zero.

Can someone please set me straight.

Thanks,
Your example:
C = mV-1
dC = ∂C/∂m dm + ∂C/∂V dV
so dC/dt = ∂C/∂m dm/dt + ∂C/∂V dV/dt.
But ∂C/∂m = 1/V and ∂C/∂V = -m/V2
So if you know how m and V vary with time you can compute dC/dt.
 
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You differentiate it using the quotient rule:

[tex]\frac{dC}{dt}=\frac{V\frac{dm}{dt}-m\frac{dV}{dt}}{V^2}=\frac{\frac{dm}{dt}-C\frac{dV}{dt}}{V}[/tex]

Chet
 

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