How to draw a Amplitude and Phase spectrum

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around sketching the amplitude and phase spectra for given time-domain signals. Participants explore the interpretation of these spectra in relation to the signals provided, which include both real and complex components. The conversation touches on concepts related to Fourier transforms, phasors, and the implications of phase shifts on amplitude spectra.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confidence in the amplitude spectrum for x1, stating it should show two lines at specific frequencies with equal amplitudes, based on the real nature of the signal.
  • Another participant questions the accuracy of the frequency values proposed for x2 and suggests a need for verification.
  • Discussion about the phase spectrum for x3 reveals uncertainty, with one participant unsure how to interpret it and another suggesting a complex representation involving phasors.
  • There is a contention regarding the terminology used in the problem, with one participant arguing that it mixes concepts of phasors and time functions, leading to confusion.
  • One participant proposes a method to interpret the phase angle of x3 but acknowledges that it is speculative without a clearer representation of the signal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct interpretation of the amplitude and phase spectra, with multiple competing views and uncertainties expressed throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in the problem's terminology, suggesting it may lead to misunderstandings about the relationship between time functions and phasors. There is also mention of unresolved mathematical steps regarding the amplitude calculations.

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The problem statement

Sketch the Amp spectrum of the following...
Additionally, for x3, sketch the phase spectrum...

( j is the imaginary number)

x1(t) = cos(10pi*t) + cos(3pi*t)

x2(t) = cos(10pi*t) + cos(5pi*t) - j*sin(10pi*t)

x3(t) = cos(10pi*t + (pi/6)) + j*sin(10pi*t)

The attempt at a solution

For x1 I am fairly certain that the plot should appear as two lines at f = 3/2 and f = 5 with A = 1 for both. I am only confident in this answer as the signal is real and not complex.

For x2 I have drawn two lines once more for f = 1/5 and f = 2/5 with respective A values of sqrt(2) and 1

For x3 I have f = 1/5 and a value of sqrt(2) for it. I have no idea how to interpret the phase spectrum.

There was considerably more to the problem, but I have completed everything but these plots, which I simply cannot find how to draw online. I found one source, but was weary as it did not explain what to do in the event of a phase shift. Does a phase shift effect the Amp spectrum?
 
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Don't know what an "Amp spectrum" is, nor a "phase spectrum". Is this in relation to Fourier transform?
 
We have yet to be formally taught the Fourier transform, but an Amplitude spectrum is a plot of amplitude vs frequency and a phase spectrum is a plot of phase shift vs frequency.
 
rock42 said:
The problem statement

Sketch the Amp spectrum of the following...
Additionally, for x3, sketch the phase spectrum...

( j is the imaginary number)

x1(t) = cos(10pi*t) + cos(3pi*t)

x2(t) = cos(10pi*t) + cos(5pi*t) - j*sin(10pi*t)

x3(t) = cos(10pi*t + (pi/6)) + j*sin(10pi*t)

The attempt at a solution

For x1 I am fairly certain that the plot should appear as two lines at f = 3/2 and f = 5 with A = 1 for both. I am only confident in this answer as the signal is real and not complex.
That's right. Amplitude spectra convey no information as to phase,only amplitude.
For x2 I have drawn two lines once more for f = 1/5 and f = 2/5 with respective A values of sqrt(2) and 1
Better check your f's on that one! For the rest, see below.
For x3 I have f = 1/5 and a value of sqrt(2) for it. I have no idea how to interpret the phase spectrum.
Again, what is the frequency in Hz? :rolleyes:

Your amplitude is (probably) not correct. But I don't know how to find it!

The thing is, the problem's terminology is not only unconventional but downright misleading. It mixes phasors and time functions. Complex representations of time functions are phasors and are not time-dependent. Neither are they frequency-dependent. A general phasor is Ae where A is the phasor amplitude and θ is its phase angle.

So the expression "jsin(10πt)" is basically nonsense, and I don't know what to do with it really.

You could maybe interpret "cos(10πt + π/6)" as as phasor with amplitude 1/√2 and phase angle π/2 + π/6. Why? Because sin(10πt) can arbitrarily be defined to have zero phase. That transforms sin(10πt) to a phasor of 1/√2, jsin(10πt) to a phasor of j(1/√2),
10cos(10πt) to a phasor of (1/√2)ejπ/2 and cos(10πt + π/6) to (1/√2)ej(π/2 + π/6). So the total phasor of x3 would be X3 = (1/√2){ej(π/2 + π/6) + j}. But that's just a WAG until they supply you with a legitimate time or phasor representation of x3.

NOTE: The 1/√2 is just a definition of phasor amplitude. It's there for a good reason of course. You should know what it is, or find out.
 

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