How to estimate the future global population

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The discussion focuses on estimating future global population growth, particularly looking towards the year 2050. Participants explore various models and factors influencing population dynamics, including technological and medical advancements, as well as demographic variables.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the types of models used to predict future population growth, mentioning the IPAT model as a reference.
  • Another participant suggests that the future population could range between 0 and 50 billion, indicating uncertainty in predictions.
  • A request for mathematical proofs is made, emphasizing the need for a scientific basis for predictions.
  • Discussion of the Verhulst model and logistic growth curves is presented as a potential framework for understanding population dynamics.
  • One participant highlights the importance of age-class distributions and reproductive factors, noting that the age of onset for childbearing significantly affects population growth rates.
  • Clarifications regarding the definitions of fecundity and fertility are raised, with some participants arguing about the correct usage of these terms in the context of population studies.
  • Concerns are expressed about the unpredictability of human influence on population variables, such as medical advancements and political changes, which complicate modeling efforts.
  • Another participant emphasizes that immigration and emigration are unlikely to significantly impact population predictions in the near future.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the models and factors influencing population growth, with no clear consensus on the best approach or the accuracy of predictions. Disagreements arise particularly around the definitions of key terms and the implications of various demographic factors.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of human behavior and societal changes that can alter demographic trends, as well as the potential for future medical and technological breakthroughs that could impact lifespan and fertility rates.

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Hello everybody!
I have been reading about the evolution of population growth since 1950 till now. It had many factors such as development of technology, of medecine, ...
Now i want to calculate the future population growth let's say for example for 2050. In those readings i found also those estimations but my problem is what type of models to they use to predict it? For example i know the IPAT model that describe the impact of population on environment. As there exist that one, do there exist one that can predict the future population?
 
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The population in 2050 will likely be somewhere between 0 and 50 billion. IMHO if you want to be more precise with any certainty you'll simply have to wait until 2050.
 
Please, i just need mathematical proofs! Being there should be one of them but not a scientific one.
 
One of the reasons it is hard to model is because K - carrying capacity - can and has been changed by humans, mostly through technology.

google for Verhulst model or logistic difference model. Modern models are generally based on some sort of logistic growth curve.
 
jim mcnamara said:
google for Verhulst model or logistic difference model. Modern models are generally based on some sort of logistic growth curve.

Thanks a lot! This replied to my question. Is it possible to combine this last model, i.e Verhulst model, with the IPAT model to predict the population that should live on Earth such that it is in equivalent with the environment!? Of course it is another question but if there are some pre-made models for this calculation, please let me know.
 
This http://www.arcytech.org/java/population/facts_math.html
seems to have a decent discussion of age-class distributions, predator-prey (or morbidity and death rates), emigration & immigration, density-dependent inhibition, fecundity - and so on.

age-class distributions and the age of onset of menses (controls fecundity) are the biggest determinants for modern human population growth in developed countries - period.

Example: a female having one child at age 15 has more impact on pop. growth rate than does a female who starts having children at age 28 and has three offspring. A population (all things being equal which they never are) made of females of type #1 has a higher Malthusian r than does a population of type #2.
 
I'm not sure if you're using fecundity correctly...unless your example wasn't meant to illustrate fecundity at all. Terms such as fertility and fecundity are frequently misused.

Fecundity is basically live birth rate per insemination attempt. You can't really compare the fecundity of the 15 y.o. and 28 y.o. in your example without knowing how many times each has had unprotected intercourse.

Fertility refers to the number of conceptions per insemination attempt, whether or not they lead to a live birth.

These terms both get tricky with humans, though, because we don't just mate once per ovulatory cycle. So, sometimes you can determine fertility rate as a ratio of conceptions to ovulatory cycles in which insemination was attempted, and fecundity as the ratio of live births to those same ovulatory cycles.

These aren't terribly useful numbers in predicting human population changes, though, as they refer more to potential for offspring production. More useful would be generation intervals (as your example illustrates between the 15 y.o. vs 28 y.o. having a first child) and actual numbers of offspring over a woman's reproductive lifespan.

The biggest difficulty, as has been pointed out in this thread already, is that humans can tinker with their own variables, making most models pretty useless. Will there be another medical breakthrough in the next 40 years that increases lifespan significantly? Will people's views on things like euthanasia change significantly enough to shorten the average lifespan? In talking about global population, what political influences will change in the next 40 years? Will infant, child and maternal mortality be significantly reduced in developing nations? It's all imprecise at best.

At least I can predict that immigration and emigration are not likely to be significant within the next 40 years...otherwise we'll have some really interesting S&D discussions. :biggrin:
 
Moonbear said:
I'm not sure if you're using fecundity correctly...unless your example wasn't meant to illustrate fecundity at all. Terms such as fertility and fecundity are frequently misused.

I disagree. Not that the terms are misused - but what fecundity means.

Please Reference Chapter 52 -
Campbell, N.A., Reece, J.B. et al. (2008). Biology.
8th edition. Benjamin/Cummings Publishing Company, Inc.

Fecundity, as defined by most texts in the field of population ecology,
is the live birth rate for females, period. Not corrected for any other factors,
sort of a max possible r as in N1=N0*e^rt. We take a very mammal-centric view.

It is not a measure of the potential number of oocytes or copluations or anyhting else.
It is the observed value.

Let's use humans.

Assume menses starts at age 15, ends at age 50; menstrual cycle
duration is 28 days; and our perfectly average woman never becomes pregnant;
one follicle matures per period. This gives:
eggs produced == (365.25 * 35)/28 ~ 456 follicles shed. Human do not have
450 offspring - so this measure is pointless. Rates of intercourse resulting
in fertilization are affected by all sorts of things - nutrition, for example.

This is the basic reason why Population Ecologists use fecundity to mean
birth rate as it was observed. Not follicle production, copulation rates or anything else.

Sorry for the late reposnse to Moonbear's post but this little post took me
30 minutes -- time which I don't have in large quantities anymore. :)
 

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