How to find the acceleration with polar coordinates?

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To find the acceleration of the carriage P in polar coordinates, the velocity is expressed as v = bω/sin(θ). The acceleration requires differentiating this velocity with respect to time, considering both r and θ as functions of time. The correct expression for acceleration can be derived by applying the chain rule and recognizing that as r changes, θ also varies with time. A relationship involving r and θ, specifically r*cos(θ) = h, can be differentiated to find dθ/dt, which can then be substituted into the acceleration formula. This approach leads to the correct answer, confirming the importance of considering both variables in motion.
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Homework Statement



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For an interval of motion the drum of radius b turns clockwise at a constant rate ω in radians per second and causes the carriage P to move to the right as the unwound length of the connecting cable is shortened. Use polar coordinates r and θ and serive expressions for the velocity v and acceleration a of P in the horizontal guide in terms of the angle θ. Check your solution with time of the relation x2+h2=r2

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I first found that the velocity of the carriage is v=bω/sin(θ)

The Attempt at a Solution



I attempted to directly derivate the equation which give me -bωcos(θ)/sin2(θ)

However, in the book answers, the answer is supposer to be b2ω2/h *cot3(θ).

I think I have to do something with the vectors, like derivate v=vrer + vθeθ but I don't understand much.
 
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It seems to me that you just forgot a term in the chain rule to differentiate your expressior for the speed. Realize that as r is changing, so is \theta, so \theta is also a function of time.

You have v = -\dfrac{b\omega}{\sin{\theta}}

a=\dfrac{dv}{dt} = \dfrac{b\omega\cos{\theta}}{\sin{\theta}^2}\dfrac{d\theta}{dt}

There is probably a simpler way to do this, but to obtain \frac{d\theta}{dt} you can realize that r*\cos{\theta} = h, where h is a constant. If you differentiate both sides, you get

\dfrac{dr}{dt}*cos{\theta} + r(-\sin{\theta})\dfrac{d\theta}{dt} = 0

You can solve for \dfrac{d\theta}{dt} and plug it into the expression for a, it gives you the right answer :) Realize that \frac{dr}{dt} = -b\omega, since it is simply the rate at which the rope is being pulled.

Did I make any sense? :P
 
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The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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