How to find volume of cone+hemisphere on the cone using spherical coordinate

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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of a cone and a hemisphere using spherical coordinates. Participants explore the mathematical relationships and volume calculations involved in this geometric problem.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about the limits of the radius \( r \) for the cone and hemisphere, suggesting ranges such as \( 0 < r < R \) for the hemisphere and \( 0 < r < R \csc(\theta) \) for the cone.
  • One participant provides a detailed calculation for the height of the cone based on the angle \( \theta \), concluding that \( h = \sqrt{3} R \) when \( \tan(30^\circ) = \frac{R}{h} \).
  • Participants calculate the volume of the cone as \( V = \frac{\sqrt{3} \pi R^3}{3} \) and the volume of the hemisphere as \( V = \frac{2 \pi R^3}{3} \), leading to a total volume of \( V = \frac{(2 + \sqrt{3}) \pi R^3}{3} \).
  • Another participant questions how to find the volume if the surface equation is defined with \( [\cos(\theta)]^2 \), indicating a potential shift in the approach to the problem.
  • One participant challenges the relevance of surface equations to volume calculations, emphasizing the distinction between surface area and volume.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the formulas for the volumes of the cone and hemisphere but express differing views on the limits of integration and the relevance of surface equations to volume calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the surface equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the limits of the radius \( r \) for the cone, and there are unresolved questions about the relationship between surface equations and volume calculations.

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i have a problem about find volume of hemisphere I do not know the true extent of radius r (0 to ?)

i think...
cone ( 0 < r < R cosec(\theta) )
hemisphere (0 < r < R)
 

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Another said:
i have a problem about find volume of hemisphere I do not know the true extent of radius r (0 to ?)

i think...
cone ( 0 < r < R cosec(\theta) )
hemisphere (0 < r < R)

Hi Another, welcome to MHB! (Wave)

Let's start with the cone.
\begin{tikzpicture}
\def\R{4}
\def\h{\R * cot(30)}
\def\Theta{20}
\coordinate (A) at (0,0);
\coordinate (B) at (0,{\h});
\coordinate (C) at ({\R},{\h});
\coordinate (D) at ({\h*tan(\Theta)},{\h});
\draw (A) -- node[above left] {$h$} (B) -- node[above] {R} (C) -- cycle;
\draw[blue, thick] (A) -- node[above left] {$r_{max}$} (D);
\path (A) node at ({90-\Theta/2}:1.3) {$\theta$};
\draw[thick] (A) +(0,1) arc (90:{90-\Theta}:1);
\end{tikzpicture}

We have $\tan 30^\circ = \frac Rh$ and $\cos\theta = \frac h{r_{max}}$ don't we?
Doesn't that mean:
$$0 < r < r_{max} = R\cot 30^\circ \sec\theta$$As for the hemisphere, suppose we translate it to the origin first before calculating its volume.
Then we just have $0 < r < R$ don't we? (Wondering)
 
Another said:
i have a problem about find volume of hemisphere I do not know the true extent of radius r (0 to ?)

i think...
cone ( 0 < r < R cosec(\theta) )
hemisphere (0 < r < R)

No calculus needed...

If the radius of the cone and hemisphere is R units, then we can see the height of the cone we can evaluate by

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \tan{ \left( \theta \right) } &= \frac{O}{A} \\ \tan{ \left( 30^{\circ} \right) } &= \frac{R}{h} \\ \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} &= \frac{R}{h} \\ \frac{h}{\sqrt{3}} &= R \\ h &= \sqrt{3}\,R \end{align*}$

Volume of the cone:

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} V &= \frac{1}{3}\,\pi\,r^2\,h \\ &= \frac{\pi\,R^2 \left( \sqrt{3}\,R \right) }{3} \\ &= \frac{\sqrt{3}\,\pi\,R^3}{3} \end{align*}$

Volume of the hemisphere:

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} V &= \frac{2}{3}\,\pi\,r^3 \\ &= \frac{2\,\pi\,R^3}{3} \end{align*}$

Thus the total volume is

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} V &= \frac{\sqrt{3}\,\pi\,R^3}{3} + \frac{2\,\pi\,R^3}{3} \\ &= \frac{\left( 2 + \sqrt{3} \right) \pi \, R^3}{3}\,\textrm{ units}^3 \end{align*}$
 
Prove It said:
No calculus needed...

If the radius of the cone and hemisphere is R units, then we can see the height of the cone we can evaluate by

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \tan{ \left( \theta \right) } &= \frac{O}{A} \\ \tan{ \left( 30^{\circ} \right) } &= \frac{R}{h} \\ \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} &= \frac{R}{h} \\ \frac{h}{\sqrt{3}} &= R \\ h &= \sqrt{3}\,R \end{align*}$

Volume of the cone:

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} V &= \frac{1}{3}\,\pi\,r^2\,h \\ &= \frac{\pi\,R^2 \left( \sqrt{3}\,R \right) }{3} \\ &= \frac{\sqrt{3}\,\pi\,R^3}{3} \end{align*}$

Volume of the hemisphere:

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} V &= \frac{2}{3}\,\pi\,r^3 \\ &= \frac{2\,\pi\,R^3}{3} \end{align*}$

Thus the total volume is

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} V &= \frac{\sqrt{3}\,\pi\,R^3}{3} + \frac{2\,\pi\,R^3}{3} \\ &= \frac{\left( 2 + \sqrt{3} \right) \pi \, R^3}{3}\,\textrm{ units}^3 \end{align*}$
thank

But for this problem, if the surface equation is determined with [cos(theta)]^2 ? How can we find the volume of hemisphere + cone ?.

thankkkkkk
 
Another said:
thank

But for this problem, if the surface equation is determined with [cos(theta)]^2 ? How can we find the volume of hemisphere + cone ?.

thankkkkkk

I have no idea what you mean by the surface equation, and the surface itself (an area) has absolutely nothing to do with the space inside it (the volume)...
 

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