How to obtain Electrical Characteristics/Model of a lump of Powder ?

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The discussion revolves around methods to obtain the electrical characteristics of a lump of powder, specifically focusing on measuring resistance, inductance, and capacitance to construct an equivalent circuit model. The context includes experimental approaches and considerations related to the setup and equipment available.

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  • One participant suggests that resistance will dominate the electrical characteristics of the powder, while inductance and capacitance may be negligible.
  • Another participant proposes building a resonator with an additional coil to measure capacitance through resonance frequency, but expresses skepticism about the reliability of the results.
  • A participant requests clarification on how to build a resonator and inquires about more reliable experimental methods.
  • Further inquiries are made regarding the overall task and purpose of characterizing the powder electrically, including questions about the packing method and environmental conditions affecting the measurements.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for specific answers to their questions about the experimental setup and objectives.
  • One participant discusses the accuracy of measurements, noting that results may vary based on voltage and frequency, and suggests using a variable voltage DC power supply and measuring instruments for resistance and capacitance.
  • There is a mention of checking the magnetic properties of the powder to assess its effect on inductance.

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Participants express differing views on the significance of inductance and capacitance in the context of the powder, and there is no consensus on the best experimental approach or the clarity of the initial inquiry.

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Participants highlight the potential variability in measurements based on the test instruments used and the specific conditions under which the powder is tested. There are also unresolved questions regarding the environmental impact on the powder's electrical characteristics.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in experimental physics, materials science, or electrical engineering, particularly those exploring the electrical properties of non-traditional materials like powders.

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How to obtain Electrical Characteristics/Model of a lump of Powder ??

Dear All,

I have some powder given to us by a chemical engineer. Now, i lumped this in a syringe and connected wires on both sides.

Can you give me an idea of an experiment that I can conduct to provide me with the electrical model of the powder, i-e, the resistance, inductance and capacitance , so i can construct an equivalent circuit for this element.

Thanks in advance,

:)
 
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A powder? I would expect that inductance and capacitance is negligible, and resistance dominates.
You can try to build a resonator with an additional coil to measure capacitance (via the resonance frequency), but don't expect proper results. In the same way, it would be possible to measure inductance.
 


I am sorry can you specify how can i build a resonator with this set-up ?

is there no other more reliable manner to form this experiment ?
 


toxic_faisal said:
Dear All,

I have some powder given to us by a chemical engineer. Now, i lumped this in a syringe and connected wires on both sides.

Can you give me an idea of an experiment that I can conduct to provide me with the electrical model of the powder, i-e, the resistance, inductance and capacitance , so i can construct an equivalent circuit for this element.

Thanks in advance,

:)

Can you say more about what you overall task is? Why are you wanting to electrically characterize the powder? What are you thinking about using it for? Will you be packing it into an axial tube like that for use? Will the tube be hermetically sealed, or will humidity be able to change the characteristics of the component?

What electrical test equipment do you have available to you? Do you have access to an Impedance Analyzer instrument, like an HP 4194 or similar? What about signal generators and oscilloscopes?
 


I have some amounts of powder inserted in a syringe at a specific pressure. It is tighly packed and has two wires on both sides connected to it.

I am just looking for a way to know the resistance, inductance and capacitance through this element. And i want to know if there is any way to determine the equivalent circuit of this lump ?

is that clearer ?
 


toxic_faisal said:
I have some amounts of powder inserted in a syringe at a specific pressure. It is tighly packed and has two wires on both sides connected to it.

I am just looking for a way to know the resistance, inductance and capacitance through this element. And i want to know if there is any way to determine the equivalent circuit of this lump ?

is that clearer ?

No, it is not. Please answer each of my questions that I asked. Thank you.
 


How accurate should measurements be?
The measurements will probably depend on the voltage and frequency the powder is tested at.

For resistance use a variable voltage DC power supply, a current meter to measure the current and a volt meter to measure the voltage.

If the powder is not magnetic (Check with a magnet) then the powder probably has no effect on the inductance.

Check the capacitance with a capacitance meter or a LCR meter.

Again the results are likely to vary with the test instruments used and the voltage and frequency tested at.

Just curious, why do you want to know the resistance, inductance and capacitance?
 

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