How to Simplify Laplace Transformed Op-Amp Circuit Equations?

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The discussion focuses on deriving the transfer function H(s) = V2(s) / V1(s) for a Laplace transformed operational amplifier circuit. The user applies Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) at nodes Va and Vb to establish equations, but encounters difficulties in simplifying the resulting expressions. The primary issue arises from the need to eliminate variables Va and Vb to facilitate further analysis, leading to a cubic equation in the denominator that complicates inverse Laplace transformation. The user seeks guidance on correctly substituting and simplifying these variables.

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Homework Statement



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Find H(s) = V2(S) / V1(s)


Homework Equations



Laplace transformed ckt is topologically equivalent to the standard circuit - except all dynamic elements are replaced by either s (L) or 1/s (C) and then treated as resistances. inverse laplce of the solution will give the solution

The Attempt at a Solution


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Laplace transform of the circuit shown above
find H(s) = V2(S) / V1(s)

[B][U]i) KCL @ Va[/U][/B]

(Va - V1 )/ R + VaSC1 + (Va - Vb)/R = 0

or  Va-V1 + RVaSC1 + Va-Vb = 0
or  2Va-V1-Vb +RSC1Va = 0
or  (2+RSC1)Va - Vb = V1 -------------------------(1)

[B][U]ii)KCL @ Vb[/U][/B]

(Vb-Va)/R + (Vb-V2)SC3 + (Vb-V2)SC2 = 0
or   Vb - Va + RSC3(Vb-V2) + R(Vb-V2)SC2 = 0
or   (1 + RSC3 + RSC2)Vb - Va - (RSC3+RSC2)V2 = 0
or   [(1 + RSC3 + RSC2)Vb - Va] / (RSC3+RSC2) = V2 -------------------(2)


divide V2/v1 = H(S)

H(S) = V2(s)/V1(s)
=       [(1 + RSC3 + RSC2)Vb - Va]
        ----------------------------
                   (RSC3+RSC2)
---------------------------------------
                [(2+RSC1)Va - Vb]


=         [(1 + RSC3 + RSC2)Vb - Va]
         ----------------------------
       [(RSC3+RSC2)[(2+RSC1)Va - Vb]

Problem is that I need Va and Vb to cancel for the next three parts of the question where we determine plots etc.

Any help? Should i have substituted Va and Vb with each other and get them in terms of v2/v1 then?
 
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i found my mistake in the second KCL equation :

it should be Vb - V2/R
and i'll get another KCL equation at the third node v2 directly above the C2 capacitor.
 
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I think i messed up again - when trying to cancel Va and Vb 
I end up getting a cubic in the denominator and that can't 
be simplified that easily with inv laplace transforms.

So I got
KCL @ Va

    (2 + RSC1)Va - Vb = V1 -----------------------------(1)

KCL @ Vb

    (Vb-Va)/R  +  (Vb-V2)SC3 + (Vb-V2)/R = 0
    or ...
    (2 + RSC3)Vb - Va - (RSC3+1)V2 = 0 ---------------(2)

KCL @ V+

    (V2-Vb ) / R = V2SC2
    or ..
    (1-RSC2)V2 = Vb --------------------------------------(3)

Sub (3) into (2)

    (2 + RSC3)(1-RSC2)V2 - Va - (RSC3 + 1)V2 = 0
    or ..
    [-(RS)^2 . C3C2 - 2(RS)C2 + 1 ] V2 = Va ------------------------(4)

Sub (4),(3) into (1)

    [(2 + RSC1)(-(RS)^2 . C3C2   - 2RSC2 + 1)  - (1-RSC2)]V2 = V1
    V2/V1 = 1 / [(2 + RSC1)(-(RS)^2 . C3C2   - 2RSC2 + 1)  - (1-RSC2)]    or better visually

    V2                              1
    ----   = --------------------------------------------------------------
    V1           (2 + RSC1)(-(RS)^2 . C3C2   - 2RSC2 + 1)  - (1-RSC2)

     
    If i expand the last term i get a cubic. Help :'(
 

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