How to Solve an Elastic Collision of 3 Balls with Frictionless Motion?

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The discussion focuses on solving an elastic collision problem involving three balls, where one ball with an initial speed of 21.5 m/s collides with two identical stationary balls. The key equations involve conservation of momentum and kinetic energy, with considerations for both x and y components of motion. Participants are confused about the angles of motion post-collision, particularly how the first ball should behave and the direction of the two other balls. They suggest that the first ball continues forward while the other two move outward at 30° angles. The thread concludes with a request for clarification and a solution to the problem.
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Homework Statement


A ball with an initial speed of v1 = 21.5 m/s collides elastically with two identical balls whose centers are on a line perpendicular to the initial velocity and that are initially in contact with each other. The first ball is aimed directly at the contact point and all motion is frictionless.
>What is the speed of ball 1 after the collision?
>What is the speed of ball 2 after the collision?

Homework Equations


m1v1i + m2v2i = m1v1fcos(θ) + m2v2fcos(θ)
KE = 1/2 mv12 + 1/2 mv22

The Attempt at a Solution


So I know that the velocities have two components, x and y. I also know that at the collision point, the angle of the centers of mass are 30° (since the balls form an equilateral triangle).
For the x-component, I tried using the conservation of momentum equation above with cos(30°) and using the KE equation to substitute for unknown values of v1 and v2.
For the y-component I tried doing the same, but since the original velocity in the y-component is 0, I used
0 = m1v1sin(θ) + m2v2sin(30). For θ I tried 30, 60, and 180, but none of them worked.
Now I'm a bit stuck and I'm getting confused from all the variables I'm trying here. Any direction is appreciated!
 
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hi baubletop! :smile:

what directions are you assuming for the three balls after the collision? :wink:
 
Should the first one go backwards since it's an elastic collision?
 
i'm not worried about backwards or forwards, just the line :wink:

(and now I'm off to bed :zzz:)
 
This is the diagram that came with the problem:
prob04a.gif


So the first ball would go forward, and the other two would move outwards 30° from that straight line, right?
 
(just got up :zzz:)
baubletop said:
So the first ball would go forward, and the other two would move outwards 30° from that straight line, right?

(forwards or backwards)

yup! :smile:

ok, now do components of momentum in the forwards direction, and energy :wink:
 
I have exactly the same problem.
Can someone please explain and solve this? Please?

(baubletop have you ever solve this?)

Many thanks.
 

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