How to use capacitors in a Solenoid circuit

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The discussion revolves around the use of capacitors in a solenoid circuit for a coil-gun project. Participants explore the design and functionality of the circuit, focusing on the charging and discharging behavior of capacitors, the impact of resistance, and the overall performance of the coil-gun mechanism. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and practical troubleshooting related to the experiment.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their project involving a low-power coil-gun and outlines their experimental setup, including the use of capacitors to control discharge timing.
  • Another participant suggests that the initial capacitance may be insufficient and discusses the energy transfer between the capacitor and the coil's magnetic field.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for the multimeter to discharge the capacitor while measuring voltage, and the possibility of the capacitors being leaky or degraded over time.
  • One participant proposes a method to determine if the capacitors hold a charge by disconnecting the meter after charging.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of not including a resistor in the circuit when connecting the capacitor to the coil.
  • One participant outlines their plan to vary resistance in the circuit to observe its effect on discharge time and current, while calculating expected discharge times based on resistance changes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of including a resistor in the circuit and the adequacy of the capacitance used. There is no consensus on the optimal configuration or the specific issues with the capacitors, leaving the discussion unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding the behavior of capacitors and inductors in the circuit, including the need for precise measurements of inductance and the potential effects of resistance on discharge time. Limitations regarding the condition of the capacitors and their specifications are also noted.

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Individuals interested in experimental physics, electronics, or circuit design may find the discussion relevant, particularly those working on similar projects involving capacitors and inductors.

  • #31
Baluncore said:
The current in an inductor continues to flow in the same direction when you disconnect it. It is the voltage that reverses, causing the “flyback” voltage spike that can damage semiconductors.
With metal contacts in a relay, a high reverse voltage arc will form as the contacts separate. That negative voltage makes di/dt = V / L very high so the current flow rapidly reduces.
The energy that was stored in the inductor's magnetic field appears as heat in the arc. E = ½·L·i²
Ah, so if I'm understanding correctly, the solenoid still has a pullback affect on the projectile, but the energy from that pullback is transferred to heat energy in the relay module?

If that were the case, it explains why the relay modules heat up during the experiment.
 
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  • #32
lekh2003 said:
If that were the case, it explains why the relay modules heat up during the experiment.
The two relays heat due to the resistance of the coil. One relay is also heated by the arc between the opening contacts. If you take the cover of that relay and operate it in the dark, you should see that arc.

A "flyback" or "freewheeling" diode across the gun coil would drop a low reverse voltage, (≈1 volt), so the current continues to flow for a longer time, and the projectile will be pulled back.

The arc at the opening relay contacts can be timed to rapidly kill the magnetic field as the projectile enters the centre of the coil. That greatly reduces pull back of the projectile.

A capacitor discharge through a diode to the gun coil produces a single half sine wave pulse, so it does not cause pull back of the projectile, and it does not produce a flyback pulse that might destroy a semiconductor switch.
 
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  • #33
Baluncore said:
The two relays heat due to the resistance of the coil. One relay is also heated by the arc between the opening contacts. If you take the cover of that relay and operate it in the dark, you should see that arc.

A "flyback" or "freewheeling" diode across the gun coil would drop a low reverse voltage, (≈1 volt), so the current continues to flow for a longer time, and the projectile will be pulled back.

The arc at the opening relay contacts can be timed to rapidly kill the magnetic field as the projectile enters the centre of the coil. That greatly reduces pull back of the projectile.

A capacitor discharge through a diode to the gun coil produces a single half sine wave pulse, so it does not cause pull back of the projectile, and it does not produce a flyback pulse that might destroy a semiconductor switch.
Thank you very much for the explanation. It makes sense.

The fact that a capacitor would have been a better choice is also useful information. I can point out that it exists as a weakness of my experimental setup.
 

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