News How we can solve the problem of the terrorism

[mohd_adam]

Of course there are many reasons for the terrorism..

The reasons of the terrorism ( arranged )

1- The Arab dictators ( presidents ) who rule Arabic countries.
2- The Palestine problem
3- The religious education in Saudi Arabia

Who benefit from the terrorism !?
Israel and the The Arab dictators are the only beneficiaries from the terrorism ...

 

[mgb_phys]

I'm not sure that's the main reason for the IRA or ETA

 

[drizzle]

Of course there are many reasons for the terrorism..

The reasons of the terrorism ( arranged )

1- The Arab dictators ( presidents ) who rule Arabic countries.
2- The Palestine problem
3- The religious education in Saudi Arabia

Who benefit from the terrorism !?
Israel and the The Arab dictators are the only beneficiaries from the terrorism ...

would you clear that for me, are you saying Islam causes terrorism?!

 

[mohd_adam]

dear drizzle,
we want to find plan for solving the problem of the terrorism , that is why i wrote the reasons of the terrorism "arranged". If we discussed many, this mean we will waste our times.. I hope if you have any idea about " How we solve ?" , write it... and if you need any information about the history of the terrorism , tell me.. I work as writer and i read many about the terrorism, also i lived before in the middle east and i understand the situation very good.. now i hope you write "how we solve!?"

thanks

 

[drizzle]

dear drizzle,
we want to find plan for solving the problem of the terrorism , that is why i wrote the reasons of the terrorism "arranged". If we discussed many, this mean we will waste our times.. I hope if you have any idea about " How we solve ?" , write it... and if you need any information about the history of the terrorism , tell me.. I work as writer and i read many about the terrorism, also i lived before in the middle east and i understand the situation very good.. now i hope you write "how we solve!?"

thanks

well, you must be stating these [reasons] out of research, would you mind to show any related to your third point!

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

would you clear that for me, are you saying Islam causes terrorism?!

I believe he says "religious education" there. Many terrorist orgs have been made up of religious extremists with not all, or even most, of them being muslim.

 

[Moridin]

A common notion is the idea that (secular) education will uniformly reduce terrorism is problematic. It is actually possible to have the technological skills to build a nuclear weapon and still believe in these primitive superstitions.

Furthermore, we forget to mention the top candidate for terrorism - the state.

 

[drankin]

A common notion is the idea that (secular) education will uniformly reduce terrorism is problematic. It is actually possible to have the technological skills to build a nuclear weapon and still believe in these primitive superstitions.

Furthermore, we forget to mention the top candidate for terrorism - the state.

Which state?

 

[skippy1729]

A common notion is the idea that (secular) education will uniformly reduce terrorism is problematic. It is actually possible to have the technological skills to build a nuclear weapon and still believe in these primitive superstitions.

Furthermore, we forget to mention the top candidate for terrorism - the state.

Secular education is not a silver bullet. It will however lead to a broader view of the world than spending years memorizing a 1500 year old religious tract. In the long term secular education can also help in reducing poverty, another contributing factor.

Skippy

 

[Moridin]

Which state?

In this context I was thinking mostly about the U.S government, but should really apply to most or all governments.

 

[tiny-tim]

Israel doesn't benefit from terrorism

Hi mohd_adam!

Israel and the The Arab dictators are the only beneficiaries from the terrorism ...

How does Israel benefit from terrorism?

Israel loses lots of lives to terrorism, and has to spend hundreds of millions of dollars annually on security measures.

And Israel's relations with the Palestinians have to be the opposite of what Israel would like, to achieve peace with them.

Where is the benefit to Israel in any of that?

 

[AhmedEzz]

And Israel's relations with the Palestinians have to be the opposite of what Israel would like, to achieve peace with them.

From what I understand in your post, you meant that in order to achieve peace with Palestinians, their relations with Israeliis has to be the opposite of what the Israeliis would like !

-from what I know about you, I know you didn't mean that, but I wanted to make sure- :)

 

[kyleb]

How does Israel benefit from terrorism?

Israel loses lots of lives to terrorism, and has to spend hundreds of millions of dollars annually on security measures.

That money goes into the pockets of he Israeli political structure though the settlement industry, and the arms and security industries which revolve around the occupation. As for the lives lost, the callous of the ruling class can console themselves with the fact that more Israelis die in car accidents than to the conflict. Besides, it's not like they live in Sderot, and when was the last time Israel lost anyone of prominence to terrorism? In my recollection that would be Rabin, who as I'm sure you know was assassinated by an extremist Israeli settler.

Granted, I have no doubt that the majority of the Israeli population would benefit more from pursuing peace, but they aren't the ones running the show.

 

[qntty]

it might help is *ahem* certain countries didn't occupy middle eastern countries.

 

[kyleb]

it might help is *ahem* certain countries didn't occupy middle eastern countries.

That is an excellent idea, though unfortunately we have our own political structure which is heavily invested in continuing to do just that.

 

[RonL]

We have the silver bullet in our laptops, on our desktops, and in our hands, this instant communication with people all around the world, gives everyone the power to be informed in a timely manor and no longer be too much victims of slanted misinformation.

This thread should be one small testament to the closeness of better days.

Ron

 

[Phrak]

Fttt. Even some of us Kafir know what is inspired in Mosques and indoctrinated in small boys in Madras.

You don't like terrorism? These are where it starts.

You don't like occupation? These are the causes.

You don't like tyrannical governments in the middle east? These are what enable them.

 

[drizzle]

the nut shell of this problem is stated in three lines

You don't like terrorism? These are where it starts.

You don't like occupation? These are the causes.

You don't like tyrannical governments in the middle east? These are what enable them.

nice words

 

[turbo]

Terrorism is the resort of extremists who are otherwise powerless. Don't like abortion? Kill a doctor who performs abortion. Pretty simple.

The idea that a country can declare and wage a "War on Terrorism" is absolutely ridiculous, and the idea is fit for a comic book, not for a cornerstone of foreign policy. Unfortunately, W and his posse enriched their buddies under just such an ignorant scheme, to the detriment of thousands of US troops who were killed or wounded and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who were killed, wounded, or made permanent refugees. Anybody care to guess how many Iragi Christians can never dare to return home for fear of being tortured and killed by their Shiite or Sunni neighbors? Saddam was a real jerk, but to his credit, he never allowed religious extremism to flower in Iraq, and as a result, Iraq was the most progressive Arab nation in terms of women's rights, etc.

 

[tiny-tim]

As for the lives lost, the callous of the ruling class …

What ruling class?

Are you a Marxist who's just stepped out of a time machine?

Israel isn't Victorian England, or modern Saudi Arabia.

Israel is a proportional-representation democracy, with members of parliament from all classes (including communist and Arab), whose voters are willing for the country to pay a high financial price for such things as health services and security.

Israel and the The Arab dictators are the only beneficiaries from the terrorism

Israel … has to spend hundreds of millions of dollars annually on security measures.
…
Where is the benefit to Israel in any of that?

That money goes into the pockets of he Israeli political structure though the settlement industry, and the arms and security industries which revolve around the occupation.

uhh? The security measures against terrorism are still a huge amount of money that has to come from the taxpayer, and can't be used for anything else.

Before terrorism , the Israeli and Palestinian economies were interlinked, with great benefit to both of them. Terrorism has stopped all that, and has instead led to considerable financial burdens on both sides.

 

[wajed]

And Israel's relations with the Palestinians have to be the opposite of what Israel would like, to achieve peace with them.

Excuse me; how do you know that Israelis want peace?

First.. They are not angles.. they took the land by killing people and frightening the others to leave...so you can`t just TRUST/BELIEVE what they say..they are not angles..


Second.. if its about "agreements" and their readiness to make some agreements..
A)They already have most of the land and all of the important places..so sure its better for them to have "peace" after "stealing"..
B)Palestinians are ready to make peace... because they are the weakest in this game.. they have to accept peace right now... but surely they won`t accept an agreement that states the right of Israel to keep seiging Gaza and other stuff like that.. and the Gazans give them "peace" for "peace"..

 

[wajed]

Before terrorism , the Israeli and Palestinian economies were interlinked, with great benefit to both of them. Terrorism has stopped all that, and has instead led to considerable financial burdens on both sides.

when did that "terrorism" exactly start?

How did the Zionists who were living everywhere in the world take palestinians land??
(maybe u`d answer the british minister "Belford" gave it to them... but that would be a totally nonpractical answer... I`m asking how the zionists really occupy that peace of land? how did this technically happen?)

 

[wajed]

uhh? The security measures against terrorism are still a huge amount of money that has to come from the taxpayer, and can't be used for anything else.

Money is not a big issue to Israel..
Zionists own most of the most important businesses in this world..
what is important to them is to occupy as much as can be, and make sure the palestinians have, do and behave the way they (the Israelis) want..

 

[wajed]

Israel isn't Victorian England, or modern Saudi Arabia.

Nor are they Egypt..

well, Saudi arabia and Egypt ruling class have 100% good relationships with Israel and USA (and here, USA forgets about "democracy".. there best friends are dectatores!)

Lebanon on the otherside, Israeli`s enemy, has just been through a democratic governmental elections which has gone so smoothly..

 

[wajed]

Sorry I`ve gone a little bit off topic..
back to the main issue..

how do we solve the problem of terrorism?

two points i`d like to mention..
1) if you weren`t fair, don`t think the people wouldn`t go mad..
sometimes if you really hurt someone, he`ll totally go mad.. some people would "literally" go mad.. some of them become exactly terrorists..

2) you have to make distinction of who is really a terrorists, and who is really just defending himself..

 

[tiny-tim]

when did that "terrorism" exactly start?

"terrorism" by Palestinians within Israel (as opposed to in pre-1948 Palestine) seems to have started after the Oslo accords in 1993.

How did the Zionists who were living everywhere in the world take palestinians land??
(maybe u`d answer the british minister "Belford" gave it to them... but that would be a totally nonpractical answer... I`m asking how the zionists really occupy that peace of land? how did this technically happen?)

(btw, it's "Balfour")

Until the 1948 war, the Jews didn't take any land …
they simply bought land from the Arab owners, and settled on it.

 

[drizzle]

Until the 1948 war, the Jews didn't take any land …
they simply bought land from the Arab owners, and settled on it.

what about Lebanon, and what happened to the people there? were they about to simply bought land from the Lebanese owners, and settled on it. didn't Israel occupy the southern region for decades, and when the group of Hezbulallah appears and get the land back to the Lebanese, they’ve been distinguished as the most terrorist organization …give me a break

 

[tiny-tim]

Until the 1948 war, the Jews didn't take any land …
they simply bought land from the Arab owners, and settled on it.

what about Lebanon, and what happened to the people there? were they about to simply bought land from the Lebanese owners, and settled on it. didn't Israel occupy the southern region for decades, and when the group of Hezbulallah appears and get the land back to the Lebanese, they’ve been distinguished as the most terrorist organization …give me a break

uhh? whatever are you talking about?

i] that wasn't before 1948

ii] there were no Jewish settlers in Lebanon.

 

[wajed]

"terrorism" by Palestinians within Israel (as opposed to in pre-1948 Palestine)

you need to prove sir that pre-1948 jews were being mistreated..
and it seems so much unreasonable what you claim..

1)10% of the palestinians were jews, how could such a big number not make big conflict if they were mistreated?

2)what would the muslim/christian palestinians have against the palestinian jews specially? Christian and Muslim palestinians have and still are living with each other..

so.. there was nothing called Israel.. and there was no religional conflicts.. so why would the christian/muslim palestinians mistreat jewish palestinians?
3)when you use the word "terrorism" you mean "muslim terrorists", while muslims think that Jesus and Moses are equal, and are messengers from God... it really won`t make sense if they practiced terrorism against Jews and lived with Jesus people peacefully.. Jews and Christians are totally alike to muslims..

 

[wajed]

seems to have started after the Oslo accords in 1993.

Israeli/Palestinian conflict has never stopped..
fire never stopped..
you are claiming that Israelis and Palestinians have lived for decades peacefully (after 1948)!

should I bring some facts to support that what you call "terrorism" hasn`t started in 1993?

 

[tiny-tim]

Before terrorism , the Israeli and Palestinian economies were interlinked, with great benefit to both of them. Terrorism has stopped all that, and has instead led to considerable financial burdens on both sides.

when did that "terrorism" exactly start?

"terrorism" by Palestinians within Israel (as opposed to in pre-1948 Palestine) seems to have started after the Oslo accords in 1993.

you need to prove sir that pre-1948 jews were being mistreated..

Sorry, but you're going all over the place …

nobody's talking about pre-1948 …

this thread (started by mohd_adam) is about who benefits from terrorism, and all i did was answer your question about when terrorism stopped the interlinking of the Israeli and Palestinian economies.

 

[wajed]

"they simply bought land from the Arab owners, and settled on it."
just like Israelis keep buying lands from West Bank palestinians?

please don`t forget posts #21 and #24

 

[wajed]

"(as opposed to in pre-1948 Palestine)"
what do you mean of this sentence, sir?

"this thread (started by mohd_adam) is about who benefits from terrorism, and all i did was answer your question about when terrorism stopped the interlinking of the Israeli and Palestinian economies."

Sir, the LAST thing you said before I started talking was what you are saying that its all you did (say)..


and, sir, post #24 is highly important.. it can show alots about the whole talk we talked.

 

[tiny-tim]

seems to have started after the Oslo accords in 1993.

Israeli/Palestinian conflict has never stopped..
fire never stopped..
you are claiming that Israelis and Palestinians have lived for decades peacefully (after 1948)!

No I'm not!

I'm saying that they lived for decades without terrorism by Palestinians within Israel!

should I bring some facts to support that what you call "terrorism" hasn`t started in 1993?

1967-1993? Sure!

"they simply bought land from the Arab owners, and settled on it."
just like Israelis keep buying lands from West Bank palestinians?

please don`t forget posts #21 and #24

oh, do make some effort to keep to the topic. ​

 

[wajed]

"oh, do make some effort to keep to the topic."
concerning posts 21 and 24 they are only replies to what you said before me sir :)

concerning me saying "just like Israelis keep buying lands from West Bank palestinians?"
actually buidlings settlements in west bank is terrorism..
and it also shows that Israel was built by terrorism.

 

[rootX]

How we can solve the problem of the terrorism

Long term solution:
Provide (or help provide) better education to the children in those countries
Help the civilians to achieve better life styles

Short term solution:
Go and kill them all (terrorists) until either all of them are killed or your country is run out of resources.Choose short term to make it safer to go with the long term.

 

[drizzle]

uhh? whatever are you talking about?

i] that wasn't before 1948

I know that, and that's why I post it!

ii] there were no Jewish settlers in Lebanon.

they were planing to, or do they only mean to freak out the people there!






[[please]] keep the Jews out of this, you can say the Israelis

 

[drizzle]

Short term solution:
Go and kill them all (terrorists) until either all of them are killed or your country is run out of resources.


Choose short term to make it safer to go with the long term.

you're killing me man

 

[rootX]

you're killing me man

I specified http://www.afghan-web.com/woman/" (see challenges).

 

[wajed]

"Long term solution:
Provide (or help provide) better education to the children in those countries
Help the civilians to achieve better life styles"
The problem is that you think its just all about "them" and the education they get..

no..
you contribute by huge amount..

 

[kyleb]

What ruling class?

Are you a Marxist who's just stepped out of a time machine?

I'm not not a Maxist by any means, but I do understand the fact that money is power.

Israel isn't Victorian England, or modern Saudi Arabia.

Sure, and it's not Utopia either.

uhh? The security measures against terrorism are still a huge amount of money that has to come from the taxpayer, and can't be used for anything else.

That money doesn't just disspear into the air though. Again, the lion's share of it winds up in the pockets of the political structure though the settlement industry, and the arms and security industries which revolve around the occupation.

"terrorism" by Palestinians within Israel (as opposed to in pre-1948 Palestine) seems to have started after the Oslo accords in 1993.

I take it you mean Palestinians attacking within Israel? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Terrorist_Attacks_Against_Israel_Before_1967" .

Until the 1948 war, the Jews didn't take any land …
they simply bought land from the Arab owners, and settled on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_P...Exodus.2C_December_1947_.E2.80.93_March_1948".

Regardless, my point was simply that terrorism is a cash cow for the political elite in Israel, just as 9/11 created a gravy train for those running the arms industry, security industries, and the oil industry here in the US.

Well stated. If we were actually "trying to win the hearts and minds of the Middle East", it would be obvious to just about everyone that we are doing it wrong. Unfortunately, people who actually understand this are kept off to the sidelines, by our political elite.

 

[drizzle]

"Long term solution:
Provide (or help provide) better education to the children in those countries
Help the civilians to achieve better life styles"
The problem is that you think its just all about "them" and the education they get..

no..
you contribute by huge amount..

how come people still can't figure out the truth, that's really sad..

 

[studentx]

If we are talking about todays terrorism, most of it is inspired by islam.
So to 'solve' todays terrorism, islam needs to change

 

[mbisCool]

If we are talking about todays terrorism, most of it is inspired by islam.
So to 'solve' todays terrorism, islam needs to change

How exactly does Islam itself inspire terrorism? It is true that many terrorists are religious extremists however Islam does not condone such actions. The vast majority of Muslims practice peacefully.

 

[mgb_phys]

If we are talking about todays terrorism, most of it is inspired by islam.

Up until 9/11 Catholics were winning in the USA, they are still head of the league tables in the UK and Ireland.

Ironically guess who won the biggest terrorist bombing in Israel competition ?

 

[drankin]

I've come to the conclusion that religion is just another belief system that those in power use to expand their authority. It's a tool. If you can be a leader of the belief system of the people then you can, for the most part, control the population that holds to those beliefs. It doesn't have to be religion. But religion is a powerful belief system in the ME. History is full of non-religious or hybrid-religous belief systems that have held fanatical power over people. Japan, Germany, Russia to name a few in recent history that had profound tyrannical belief systems that neglected the individual for the sake of the system in power. It's not necessarily the belief system but how it is manipulated by the leaders of it.

 

[Count Iblis]

Of course there are many reasons for the terrorism..

The reasons of the terrorism ( arranged )

1- The Arab dictators ( presidents ) who rule Arabic countries.
2- The Palestine problem
3- The religious education in Saudi Arabia

Who benefit from the terrorism !?
Israel and the The Arab dictators are the only beneficiaries from the terrorism ...

There are many conflicts in the world. If it involves a state repressing freedoms of people (e.g. Israel's illegal occupation of Palestinian territories, the repression of the Tamils by the Sri Lankan government), then the people can be motivated to fight back and they then might use terror tactics.

So, these conflicts must be resolved. If the cause of the conflict has rational basis then it may stil be difficult to resolve but at least you can approach the solution in a rational way.

But many conflicts are at least in part motivated by religion which is not rational. The solution can then only be reached on the long term by teaching children about science and the truth about religion, i.e. that religion has been falsified by science.

Wiping religion off the face of the Earth would go a long way toward making the world a peaceful place.

 

[ZacharyFino]

we don't have a serious terrorist problem. if your basing it on lives lost terrorism deserves to be thrown in the trash bin to make way for larger issues.

 

[BobG]

Wiping religion off the face of the Earth would go a long way toward making the world a peaceful place.

Enver Hoxha managed to do that in Albania. In 1967, Albania became the world's only officially "atheist" state, with religions constitutionally banned by 1976. Most younger Albanians have never known religion.

Albania still had a civil war in 1996-1997, when a rash of pyramid schemes crashed the country's financial system, wiping out the savings of Albanian citizens. (In one sense, the 'real' civil war was in the transition from Communist to a parliamentary democracy, but the financial crash was the big event that made things happen very quickly.)

 

[mgb_phys]

Most younger Albanians have never known religion.

And then they all fell for a 'send all your money to the glorious leader and you will receive your reward one day' scam
- there's almost a parable there.