Hubble Discovers New Supernova in Cygnus

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The discussion revolves around the classification and characteristics of a newly discovered astronomical object in the constellation Cygnus, initially referred to as a supernova. Participants explore the nature of this object, debating whether it is a supernova or a protoplanetary nebula, and discuss the differences between nebulae formed by supernovae and those formed by planetary processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that Hubble observed a supernova in Cygnus, questioning whether it will increase in size or maintain its spiral shape.
  • Another participant argues that the object is not a supernova but a protoplanetary nebula, explaining its formation as a star exhausts lighter fuel and sheds outer layers.
  • A participant acknowledges confusion regarding the nature of nebulae, suggesting that many are formed by stellar explosions, but notes this case as an exception involving a planetary explosion.
  • Another participant corrects the previous claim about planetary explosions, emphasizing that planetary nebulae are a stage in stellar evolution and are unrelated to planets.
  • One participant elaborates on the differences between nebulae created by supernovae and those formed by stars less than 8 solar masses, detailing the outcomes of each process.
  • There is a discussion about the historical naming conventions of planetary nebulae and the peculiarities in astronomical classifications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the classification of the object in question, with some asserting it is a supernova while others maintain it is a protoplanetary nebula. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various definitions and classifications of nebulae, highlighting the complexity and potential misunderstandings surrounding their formation and characteristics. There are unresolved assumptions about the nature of the observed object and its classification.

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Hubble viewed a new Supernova in the constellation Cygnus, IRAS 20068+4051. It's current view from Hubble shows a spiral. Will this increase in size or remain a spiral?

http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/potw1030a/
 
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It's not a supernova. It is a protoplanetary nebula, formed when a star uses up much of its lighter fuel and cools, blowing off its outer layers. Eventually, radiation pressure from the host star may herd the dusts and gases into a more spherical arrangement.
 
My mistake. Many Nebulas are created by the exploding of a star.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula

This case is an exception. It is formed by the exploding of a planet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula

This is newsworthy just the same. I will alter my question some. What is the difference in size and shape of a Nebula created by a Supernova and one created by a planetary explosion?
 
No, it is not the exploding of a planet. It is the evolution of a star.

Planetary nebulae have nothing to do with planets. They were called that because they often appeared round, faint, and uniform as seen from Earth. Such nebulae had nothing to do with planets (repeat) - they are an evolutionary stage of stars that are NOT going to explode as super novae.
 
Philosophaie said:
My mistake. Many Nebulas are created by the exploding of a star.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula

This case is an exception. It is formed by the exploding of a planet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula

This is newsworthy just the same. I will alter my question some. What is the difference in size and shape of a Nebula created by a Supernova and one created by a planetary explosion?

Planetary Nebulae are caused by star death, but they are different from a supernova as they have different end results. A star less than 8 solar masses will lose its outer layers as a planetary nebula, and the core will become a hot, white dwarf, which will eventually cool into a black dwarf.
Stars greather than 8 solar masses will undergo a supernova, when the outer layers of the star cast off and the core collapses to form a neutron star or a black hole if the core is sufficiently massive.

Strangely, planetary nebulae don't actually have anything to do with planets and are only named such because Herschel thought the nebulae he observed resembled Uranus. Basically Astronomer's have a strange property wherre they refuse to throw anything away, hence the messy tuning fork for galaxies, the seemingly bizarre order of stellar classifications, and the backwards scale for magnitude.
 

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