IBP Struggles: Solving Integrals of \frac{x^2}{e^x+1} \& \frac{x^3}{e^x+1}

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The discussion revolves around finding the integrals of the functions \(\frac{x^2}{e^x+1}\) and \(\frac{x^3}{e^x+1}\), with a focus on integration techniques, particularly integration by parts (IBP). Participants are exploring the complexities involved in solving these integrals and referencing related mathematical functions.

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  • The original poster attempts integration by parts but finds the process increasingly complicated. They express uncertainty about their ability to solve the integrals independently. Some participants reference previous discussions and suggest the use of polylogarithms and the Riemann zeta function for expressing results. Others inquire about adapting known results to variations of the integral involving a constant T.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing insights about related mathematical concepts and potential approaches. There is a recognition of the need for further exploration of the integrals, particularly in relation to the constants involved. Multiple interpretations and methods are being discussed without a clear consensus on a single approach.

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There is mention of a previous thread discussing similar integrals, indicating that this is part of a broader conversation. The original poster expresses familiarity with some functions but not others, suggesting varying levels of understanding among participants. The discussion also touches on the implications of changing variables in the integrals.

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Homework Statement



Find the Integrals of \frac{x^2}{e^x+1}\\ \frac{x^3}{e^x+1}


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Integration by parts

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I did IBP twice and it seemed to just get bigger and uglier and now I am stuck. I found the solutions online of the integrals but still do not know how to do them myself.
 
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We had a similar thread not too long ago, have a look here.
 
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As said in the other thread, you need polylogarithms to express the final result. Instead, the definite integral from 0 to infinity can be easily evaluated and you have the following general result:

$$\int_0^{\infty} \frac{x^{s-1}}{e^x+1}\,dx=\left(1-2^{1-s}\right)\zeta(s)\Gamma(s)$$
 
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Hey, sorry for the atrociously late reply. I am not familiar with the two functions in the general form you posted. I recognize the one as a gamma function but have never seen the other.
 
Pranav-Arora said:
As said in the other thread, you need polylogarithms to express the final result. Instead, the definite integral from 0 to infinity can be easily evaluated and you have the following general result:

$$\int_0^{\infty} \frac{x^{s-1}}{e^x+1}\,dx=\left(1-2^{1-s}\right)\zeta(s)\Gamma(s)$$

I have another integral where the term in the exponential is divided by a constant T so it takes the form of \frac{x^2}{e^\frac{x}{T}+1}\\ \frac{x^3}{e^\frac{x}{T}+1}

Is there some way to get a new variation of this formula that can take these constants into account?
 
Change variables to ##y = x/T##.
 
Orodruin said:
Change variables to ##y = x/T##.

Then we just use the same integration formula from pranav? Is this because the limits of integration involve an infinity so any constant T in the denominator will have no effect?
 
It will have an effect, namely multiplying the result by a factor ##T^{n+1}##, where n is the exponent of x, since
$$
x^n\,dx = T^{n+1} y^n\,dy
$$
 

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